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Wilesy01 Bristol 27 Aug 20 10.53am
Does anyone get a bit fed up of this long held assumption that high level ex pros make the best pundits? Some admittedly are good but many others are woeful. I can't say I've ever learned anything from listening to the likes of Ferdinand, Shearer or Le Tissier. I'd much rather listen to senior journalists like Henry Winter discuss the game. Nor am I against the likes of Alex Scott who has ran rings around the likes of Paul Ince on MoTD provide such commentary.
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Wilesy01

Bristol 27 Aug 20 10.53am

Does anyone get a bit fed up of this long held assumption that high level ex pros make the best pundits?

Some admittedly are good but many others are woeful. I can't say I've ever learned anything from listening to the likes of Ferdinand, Shearer or Le Tissier.

I'd much rather listen to senior journalists like Henry Winter discuss the game. Nor am I against the likes of Alex Scott who has ran rings around the likes of Paul Ince on MoTD provide such commentary.

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deleted 25 27 Aug 20 10.58am
Maybe they can take a leaf out of the Neville bros book, and go in to football management?, on second thoughts - enjoy your retirement lads!
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27 Aug 20 10.58am

Maybe they can take a leaf out of the Neville bros book, and go in to football management?, on second thoughts - enjoy your retirement lads!

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 10.59am
. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Aug 2020 11.14am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Aug 20 10.59am

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.03am
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Does anyone get a bit fed up of this long held assumption that high level ex pros make the best pundits? Some admittedly are good but many others are woeful. I can't say I've ever learned anything from listening to the likes of Ferdinand, Shearer or Le Tissier. I'd much rather listen to senior journalists like Henry Winter discuss the game. Nor am I against the likes of Alex Scott who has ran rings around the likes of Paul Ince on MoTD provide such commentary. Yes they are all terrible although Shearer isn’t as bad as that. He’s just overpaid. Alex Scott being better than Paul Ince isn’t saying much. I was genuinely optimistic about women on the panel but all she does is just point out what anybody who knows nothing about football can see. There’s no reading between the lines or exposing of the opposition formation. It’s just what one individual player has done in a certain moment. It’s a waste of someone else being able to say something. The others keep quiet and wait for her to finish and carry on. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.03am

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Does anyone get a bit fed up of this long held assumption that high level ex pros make the best pundits?

Some admittedly are good but many others are woeful. I can't say I've ever learned anything from listening to the likes of Ferdinand, Shearer or Le Tissier.

Yes they are all terrible although Shearer isn’t as bad as that. He’s just overpaid. Alex Scott being better than Paul Ince isn’t saying much. I was genuinely optimistic about women on the panel but all she does is just point out what anybody who knows nothing about football can see. There’s no reading between the lines or exposing of the opposition formation. It’s just what one individual player has done in a certain moment. It’s a waste of someone else being able to say something. The others keep quiet and wait for her to finish and carry on.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.14am
Originally posted by leejaneagles The trouble is these days no one can have differing opinions. I'm in my early 30's and in certain pubs (not posh bars) and with people I'd consider 'close' friends and not acquaintances, if I openly put forward a slightly alternative opinion, people would stop talking to me or ask me to sit on my own and liken me to Hitler. Younger people these days are scared of debate or compromise, it's going to be a truly shocking World in a few years thanks to my Generation unfortunately. For what it's worth, I disagree with you on 'drawing the line' with Trans people. This is from personal experiences and knowing some. However, I don't agree it's not a mental/chemical imbalance. If a sex change remedies those symptoms it doesn't affect me in the slightest and I'm glad that person is feeling better. I just don't agree with the notion you can truly be a woman trapped in a mans body and vice-versa (but it wouldn't be a topic of discussion I'd feel compelled to have with them if I was with them). I'm just not fussed about sitting down for drinks or dinner with someone who has had this change and I don't find them revolting. It's completely okay that you are not okay with it and I'd have a drink with you as well. I'm sick of the people that spit their dummies out the pram though and berate you for a differing opinion. Don't get me started on non-binary. I'm not revolted by it or actively want to see people suffer but I couldn't hold a conversation with someone that idiotic. That really does smack of 'we've got all the rights we possibly want for gay people and trans people, lets make something up completely to keep moaning and be the shunned". And I know a lot of trans people that feel the same when it comes to the ridiculousness of a spoilt teenager wanting to wake up one morning as a boy and the next a girl and the next a lamp. Because it mocks the true struggle of the pain of feeling like you need to get your whole body permanently changed to feel okay in yourself. Getting told it's 2020 and that's not where we are now is also laughable. We are worse off than we've ever been and there is a divide and full tantrum/argument/riot over every tiny difference of opinion. Just a false feeling of superiority for blindly following every active equality cause but then abusing anybody that dares to be different. Not very equal that is it? Circling back to the topic, if they have a panel lined up better than the people sacked and they happened to all be minorities then I'd be fine wit that. We all know that won't be the case. Some people's opinion is the people fired are bumbling moronic buffoons (again your own opinion is fine) but ratings and reviews for Soccer Saturday suggest otherwise on the whole, so not sure why they've decided to pander for no reason. Time will tell. Good reply. I admit I’m transphobic. I think it’s utterly weird. I haven’t suddenly changed on these things and I doubt I will on trans. Just watch an episode of ‘Friends.’ Homophobic jokes and piss taking of each other. I’ve come round to just letting gays get on with it. Youngsters should be careful of the future they’re carving out. In the meantime you get presidents they don’t like because of it. They kick out about it and Trump gets a 2nd term and the cycle continues with the tantrums. And anyway, like you say, the current demographic that weren’t out and about and were at home watching sky sports Saturday are white British males after a week of work and not students or wokies. I even read a tweet saying a gay, a woman and a black man wasn’t diverse enough and it should be all foreign with several Africans. This guy was genuinely serious. Sky sports are there to make money by attracting their target audience, not mess about with this stuff. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.14am

Originally posted by leejaneagles

The trouble is these days no one can have differing opinions. I'm in my early 30's and in certain pubs (not posh bars) and with people I'd consider 'close' friends and not acquaintances, if I openly put forward a slightly alternative opinion, people would stop talking to me or ask me to sit on my own and liken me to Hitler. Younger people these days are scared of debate or compromise, it's going to be a truly shocking World in a few years thanks to my Generation unfortunately.

For what it's worth, I disagree with you on 'drawing the line' with Trans people. This is from personal experiences and knowing some. However, I don't agree it's not a mental/chemical imbalance. If a sex change remedies those symptoms it doesn't affect me in the slightest and I'm glad that person is feeling better. I just don't agree with the notion you can truly be a woman trapped in a mans body and vice-versa (but it wouldn't be a topic of discussion I'd feel compelled to have with them if I was with them). I'm just not fussed about sitting down for drinks or dinner with someone who has had this change and I don't find them revolting.

It's completely okay that you are not okay with it and I'd have a drink with you as well. I'm sick of the people that spit their dummies out the pram though and berate you for a differing opinion.

Don't get me started on non-binary. I'm not revolted by it or actively want to see people suffer but I couldn't hold a conversation with someone that idiotic. That really does smack of 'we've got all the rights we possibly want for gay people and trans people, lets make something up completely to keep moaning and be the shunned". And I know a lot of trans people that feel the same when it comes to the ridiculousness of a spoilt teenager wanting to wake up one morning as a boy and the next a girl and the next a lamp. Because it mocks the true struggle of the pain of feeling like you need to get your whole body permanently changed to feel okay in yourself.

Getting told it's 2020 and that's not where we are now is also laughable. We are worse off than we've ever been and there is a divide and full tantrum/argument/riot over every tiny difference of opinion. Just a false feeling of superiority for blindly following every active equality cause but then abusing anybody that dares to be different. Not very equal that is it?

Circling back to the topic, if they have a panel lined up better than the people sacked and they happened to all be minorities then I'd be fine wit that. We all know that won't be the case. Some people's opinion is the people fired are bumbling moronic buffoons (again your own opinion is fine) but ratings and reviews for Soccer Saturday suggest otherwise on the whole, so not sure why they've decided to pander for no reason. Time will tell.

Good reply. I admit I’m transphobic. I think it’s utterly weird. I haven’t suddenly changed on these things and I doubt I will on trans. Just watch an episode of ‘Friends.’ Homophobic jokes and piss taking of each other. I’ve come round to just letting gays get on with it.

Youngsters should be careful of the future they’re carving out. In the meantime you get presidents they don’t like because of it. They kick out about it and Trump gets a 2nd term and the cycle continues with the tantrums.

And anyway, like you say, the current demographic that weren’t out and about and were at home watching sky sports Saturday are white British males after a week of work and not students or wokies. I even read a tweet saying a gay, a woman and a black man wasn’t diverse enough and it should be all foreign with several Africans. This guy was genuinely serious. Sky sports are there to make money by attracting their target audience, not mess about with this stuff.

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Aug 20 11.17am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Women can certainly do heavy manual work. My ex-wife was a decoy to a whaling fleet. Les Dawson "The mother in law went swimming in Lock Ness, the monster got out and picketed the loch". One more point
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Beckenham 27 Aug 20 11.17am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Women can certainly do heavy manual work.

My ex-wife was a decoy to a whaling fleet.

Les Dawson "The mother in law went swimming in Lock Ness, the monster got out and picketed the loch".

One more point

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coulsdoneagle London 27 Aug 20 11.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'Woke' Sky. Too white, too male. All sh*t pundits as well. I’d rather watch Alex Scott, Clinton Morrison and other younger pundits ahead of those dinosaurs.
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coulsdoneagle

London 27 Aug 20 11.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Woke' Sky.

Too white, too male.

All sh*t pundits as well. I’d rather watch Alex Scott, Clinton Morrison and other younger pundits ahead of those dinosaurs.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Aug 20 11.42am
Scott Minto gone. was he on big wages ? Sky will save a Mint-o [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Scott Minto gone.

was he on big wages ? Sky will save a Mint-o

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.47am
Originally posted by coulsdoneagle All sht pundits as well. I’d rather watch Alex Scott, Clinton Morrison and other younger pundits ahead of those dinosaurs. That’s one way to get rid of your advertising revenue. COYP*
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Aug 20 11.47am

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

All sh*t pundits as well. I’d rather watch Alex Scott, Clinton Morrison and other younger pundits ahead of those dinosaurs.

That’s one way to get rid of your advertising revenue.

COYP

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Aug 20 12.39pm
I see Scott Minto also sacked. Nothing to do with their capabilities of course. The pattern is clear for all to see.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Aug 20 12.39pm

I see Scott Minto also sacked.
Nothing to do with their capabilities of course.
The pattern is clear for all to see.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 20 12.39pm
Sacking white males to replace them with different sex or race constitutes discrimination. I hope they all take a court case if they are replaced with people who do exactly the same job. Where were the verbal and written warnings and misconduct here? Although it wouldn't be massively surprising if there is some kind of recording of sexist behaviour from the panel, 'Cor, look at her' kind of thing. Can't imagine racism from these guys. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 20 12.39pm

Sacking white males to replace them with different sex or race constitutes discrimination. I hope they all take a court case if they are replaced with people who do exactly the same job.
Where were the verbal and written warnings and misconduct here? Although it wouldn't be massively surprising if there is some kind of recording of sexist behaviour from the panel, 'Cor, look at her' kind of thing. Can't imagine racism from these guys.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 20 12.51pm
Originally posted by YoDougie This is truly such a disgusting and disappointing comment. Putting football aside, how can you possibly think it's acceptable to comment on people like this, using this language? Some of the comments on this thread have amazed me. Representation of all types of people is an important and much needed step to take in our inclusive society that moves towards equality. Also, women are not objects to comment on their looks and football is not 'human nature'. How you can possibly believe this is appropriate amazes me. Whatever the reason behind Sky's decision is, change does happen in work and the truth is, having 4/5 white men on the panel is not fair representation and is not where we have arrived at in 2020. As a 'white straight man', I'd welcome whoever they put on the show, as long as their qualifications and knowledge on the topic are good enough. I'm not going to 'draw the line' at anyone. People are who they are. Edited by YoDougie (27 Aug 2020 9.22am) So you agree with sacking people to make up quotas? Where are the worker's rights? This could also happen to you or me. I'd take a massive legal case if it did. I'd also represent you if I could. This isn't right. If one of them wants to leave, or has grounds to be fired then replace with who they like. Otherwise equality would surely have to work two ways. I'm concerned about how equality only works for minorities, effectively moving towards 'some are more equal than others'. I got into trouble for a joke last night where I said 'Imagine all those Hollywood agents looking through their books for black actors, best time in the world to be a black actor'. But conversely, I couldn't help but wonder, you're a struggling, new, white male actor - your chances of work are now diminished. Although, I was being tongue in cheek, it started to get me thinking. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 20 12.51pm

Originally posted by YoDougie

This is truly such a disgusting and disappointing comment. Putting football aside, how can you possibly think it's acceptable to comment on people like this, using this language?

Some of the comments on this thread have amazed me. Representation of all types of people is an important and much needed step to take in our inclusive society that moves towards equality.

Also, women are not objects to comment on their looks and football is not 'human nature'. How you can possibly believe this is appropriate amazes me.

Whatever the reason behind Sky's decision is, change does happen in work and the truth is, having 4/5 white men on the panel is not fair representation and is not where we have arrived at in 2020.

As a 'white straight man', I'd welcome whoever they put on the show, as long as their qualifications and knowledge on the topic are good enough. I'm not going to 'draw the line' at anyone. People are who they are.

Edited by YoDougie (27 Aug 2020 9.22am)

So you agree with sacking people to make up quotas? Where are the worker's rights? This could also happen to you or me. I'd take a massive legal case if it did. I'd also represent you if I could. This isn't right. If one of them wants to leave, or has grounds to be fired then replace with who they like. Otherwise equality would surely have to work two ways.
I'm concerned about how equality only works for minorities, effectively moving towards 'some are more equal than others'.

I got into trouble for a joke last night where I said 'Imagine all those Hollywood agents looking through their books for black actors, best time in the world to be a black actor'. But conversely, I couldn't help but wonder, you're a struggling, new, white male actor - your chances of work are now diminished. Although, I was being tongue in cheek, it started to get me thinking.

Red and Blue Army!

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