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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Mar 20 7.50am
I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats. I fully expect that some of these overseas fraud colleges are working out how they can game the system already. Anyway good luck to the honest people I hope you get yours okay. One more point
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Beckenham 27 Mar 20 7.50am

I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats.

I fully expect that some of these overseas fraud colleges are working out how they can game the system already.

Anyway good luck to the honest people I hope you get yours okay.

One more point

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Midlands Eagle 27 Mar 20 9.31am
Originally posted by Badger11 I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats. I can understand why the Chancellor said that self employed grants would be averaged out over the last three year's income as per their tax returns but I don't understand why he extended the deadline from two months ago to the end of April
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Originally posted by Badger11

I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats.

I can understand why the Chancellor said that self employed grants would be averaged out over the last three year's income as per their tax returns but I don't understand why he extended the deadline from two months ago to the end of April

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Eaglecoops CR3 27 Mar 20 10.06am
Originally posted by Badger11 I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats. I fully expect that some of these overseas fraud colleges are working out how they can game the system already. Anyway good luck to the honest people I hope you get yours okay. The right to claim and the amount will be based on previous tax returns, even for self employed, so the chances of scamming will be slim.
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CR3 27 Mar 20 10.06am

Originally posted by Badger11

I predict that with the government help measures for employed and self employed they will see a tsunami of fraudulent claims that will dwarf the Grenfall tower cheats.

I fully expect that some of these overseas fraud colleges are working out how they can game the system already.

Anyway good luck to the honest people I hope you get yours okay.

The right to claim and the amount will be based on previous tax returns, even for self employed, so the chances of scamming will be slim.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Mar 20 10.10am
There will be people out to scam the self employed claimers, or scam anyone. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Mar 20 10.10am

There will be people out to scam the self employed claimers, or scam anyone.

COYP

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Mar 20 10.22am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops The right to claim and the amount will be based on previous tax returns, even for self employed, so the chances of scamming will be slim. And yet people commit benefit and tax fraud all the time. I hope you are right and I am wrong. Let's see what happens towards the end of the year. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 27 Mar 20 10.22am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The right to claim and the amount will be based on previous tax returns, even for self employed, so the chances of scamming will be slim.

And yet people commit benefit and tax fraud all the time. I hope you are right and I am wrong. Let's see what happens towards the end of the year.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Mar 20 10.32am
Originally posted by Badger11 And yet people commit benefit and tax fraud all the time. I hope you are right and I am wrong. Let's see what happens towards the end of the year. You get the feeling with the volume of claims that there might be a level where they don’t even bother checking. Once a scammer knows that monetary level from a letter they stick to below that amount. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Mar 20 10.32am

Originally posted by Badger11

And yet people commit benefit and tax fraud all the time. I hope you are right and I am wrong. Let's see what happens towards the end of the year.

You get the feeling with the volume of claims that there might be a level where they don’t even bother checking. Once a scammer knows that monetary level from a letter they stick to below that amount.

COYP

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Mar 20 10.38am
Its factored in I would guess. Most business should factor in losses or unexpected situations. Oh hang on ........
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The garden of England 27 Mar 20 10.38am

Its factored in I would guess.
Most business should factor in losses or unexpected situations.
Oh hang on ........

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Mar 20 11.01am
Originally posted by cryrst Its factored in I would guess. Most business should factor in losses or unexpected situations. Oh hang on ........ I think competition is a factor in that not happening. Not a all, but a factor. A sole trader should always have a reserve if they can rather than blow it all, and good luck with selling assets in these times. A tradesman I know who has his accountant avoid maximum taxes for him always has a reserve for if he gets an audit and they want 6 year’s worth back. I wonder how the people are doing who don’t keep their tax money in the bank. Could be a nervous year before payment is due in April 2021 if work is scarce. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Mar 20 11.01am

Originally posted by cryrst

Its factored in I would guess.
Most business should factor in losses or unexpected situations.
Oh hang on ........

I think competition is a factor in that not happening. Not a all, but a factor.

A sole trader should always have a reserve if they can rather than blow it all, and good luck with selling assets in these times. A tradesman I know who has his accountant avoid maximum taxes for him always has a reserve for if he gets an audit and they want 6 year’s worth back.

I wonder how the people are doing who don’t keep their tax money in the bank. Could be a nervous year before payment is due in April 2021 if work is scarce.

COYP

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Midlands Eagle 27 Mar 20 11.30am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman There will be people out to scam the self employed claimers, or scam anyone. There will also be people allegedly furloughing their staff whilst continuing to trade
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27 Mar 20 11.30am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There will be people out to scam the self employed claimers, or scam anyone.

There will also be people allegedly furloughing their staff whilst continuing to trade

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Mar 20 4.58pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle There will also be people allegedly furloughing their staff whilst continuing to trade That would be dangerous tbh as loose lips sink ships. Someone would brag about it,much like an old aquaintace used to brag about his load of dosh and low profit declaration. Karma sucks.
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The garden of England 27 Mar 20 4.58pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There will also be people allegedly furloughing their staff whilst continuing to trade

That would be dangerous tbh as loose lips sink ships. Someone would brag about it,much like an old aquaintace used to brag about his load of dosh and low profit declaration. Karma sucks.

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fish mitten Chelmsford 27 Mar 20 5.08pm
Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll There's a lot of truth in that. Still, you wouldn't want to work for anyone else, would you? No going back. Most bosses are total dog's cocks from time to time but at least when your dog's cock of a boss is yourself you don't get sacked for telling him so. More importantly, Fish Mitten is a rather funny name isn't it? No idea whatsoever why, but it definitely is. Yes indeed picked the name because it was a 19th century slang term for a women's private parts. Amused me and my wife. And I'm sure I've been called the C word plenty of times. I think yesterday, there was a few people on here almost claiming that every self-employed people were nothing but cheats who swindled the system. I'm a self-employed accountant. I would probably earn more if I was employed. I was a manager for a top ten firm and hated the office life and the way it was becoming about 15 years ago so took a income cut to try and get a better style of life. It suits me, but it doesn't everyone. Take two weeks holiday, there is no earnings. I've been knocked a few times and people seem to think they can phone you when they want, 10.30 in the evening, even on a Sunday sometimes. Those self-employed who have fiddled their income down will now pay the price for it, as it will be based on what they declared. Personally, I will probably end up getting nothing. Profits are just under the £50k. It is just me on my own. Any financial hit I take will probably be delayed. Clients not being able to pay, going out of business. By that time any hand out will be gone. The self-employed will be paying the price for this for a long time. And I guess many employed will as well.
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Chelmsford 27 Mar 20 5.08pm

Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll

There's a lot of truth in that. Still, you wouldn't want to work for anyone else, would you? No going back. Most bosses are total dog's cocks from time to time but at least when your dog's cock of a boss is yourself you don't get sacked for telling him so.

More importantly, Fish Mitten is a rather funny name isn't it? No idea whatsoever why, but it definitely is.

Yes indeed picked the name because it was a 19th century slang term for a women's private parts. Amused me and my wife. And I'm sure I've been called the C word plenty of times.

I think yesterday, there was a few people on here almost claiming that every self-employed people were nothing but cheats who swindled the system.

I'm a self-employed accountant. I would probably earn more if I was employed. I was a manager for a top ten firm and hated the office life and the way it was becoming about 15 years ago so took a income cut to try and get a better style of life.

It suits me, but it doesn't everyone. Take two weeks holiday, there is no earnings. I've been knocked a few times and people seem to think they can phone you when they want, 10.30 in the evening, even on a Sunday sometimes.

Those self-employed who have fiddled their income down will now pay the price for it, as it will be based on what they declared.

Personally, I will probably end up getting nothing. Profits are just under the £50k. It is just me on my own. Any financial hit I take will probably be delayed. Clients not being able to pay, going out of business. By that time any hand out will be gone. The self-employed will be paying the price for this for a long time. And I guess many employed will as well.

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Mar 20 7.37pm
Originally posted by fish mitten Yes indeed picked the name because it was a 19th century slang term for a women's private parts. Amused me and my wife. And I'm sure I've been called the C word plenty of times. I think yesterday, there was a few people on here almost claiming that every self-employed people were nothing but cheats who swindled the system. I'm a self-employed accountant. I would probably earn more if I was employed. I was a manager for a top ten firm and hated the office life and the way it was becoming about 15 years ago so took a income cut to try and get a better style of life. It suits me, but it doesn't everyone. Take two weeks holiday, there is no earnings. I've been knocked a few times and people seem to think they can phone you when they want, 10.30 in the evening, even on a Sunday sometimes. Those self-employed who have fiddled their income down will now pay the price for it, as it will be based on what they declared. Personally, I will probably end up getting nothing. Profits are just under the £50k. It is just me on my own. Any financial hit I take will probably be delayed. Clients not being able to pay, going out of business. By that time any hand out will be gone. The self-employed will be paying the price for this for a long time. And I guess many employed will as well. You admit that you chose to be self employed because you didnt like being told what to do basically. That's fair enough and many self employed choose this route. Fundimentaly I would be so bold as to say a very large amount of sole traders cook their books even under your nose. Do you think that's a fairly true statement. Not telling you personally all the cash they earned and pocketed along with receipts for loads of stuff. Self employed generally earn more than paye and generally declare less profit than they make. This has been going on for years and this event will make loads a little more honest. My concern is why so many havent saved the extra that they didnt declare or part of it bearing in mind it was tax free. Maybe navaras and warriors will morph into Mondeos and astras next year. Anyhow with your name I thought it was because you liked playing church windows (think about it)
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The garden of England 27 Mar 20 7.37pm

Originally posted by fish mitten

Yes indeed picked the name because it was a 19th century slang term for a women's private parts. Amused me and my wife. And I'm sure I've been called the C word plenty of times.

I think yesterday, there was a few people on here almost claiming that every self-employed people were nothing but cheats who swindled the system.

Those self-employed who have fiddled their income down will now pay the price for it, as it will be based on what they declared.

You admit that you chose to be self employed because you didnt like being told what to do basically. That's fair enough and many self employed choose this route. Fundimentaly I would be so bold as to say a very large amount of sole traders cook their books even under your nose. Do you think that's a fairly true statement. Not telling you personally all the cash they earned and pocketed along with receipts for loads of stuff.
Self employed generally earn more than paye and generally declare less profit than they make. This has been going on for years and this event will make loads a little more honest. My concern is why so many havent saved the extra that they didnt declare or part of it bearing in mind it was tax free. Maybe navaras and warriors will morph into Mondeos and astras next year.
Anyhow with your name I thought it was because you liked playing church windows (think about it)

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