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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
If it's a biological fact, you would assume there would be countless scientists of high respectability who have provided evidence and tests to support the theory, and yet you can't provide us with a single one. Strange. I've already answered this, plus given you the example of a sacked professor. I'm gone through this all before, all your examples and papers push are deconstructions on categories. It''s all done for a sociological and political agenda. Let's take a quote from one of your links as evidence. 'While we argue phasing out racial terminology in the biological sciences, we also acknowledge that using race as a political or social category to study racism, although filled with lots of challenges, remains necessary given our need to understand how structural inequities and discrimination produce health disparities between groups,' Before the far left took over academia this BS didn't exist.....and it isn't supported in China or anywhere else outside modern western academia Outside of western far left institutions this worldview on race as a social construct and social division doesn't exist. It's such BS....We have sickle cell, we have black success in sprints and long distance running events. We have IQ scores going back god knows how long...crime and murder rates from all over the world......feck you can send a dna sample away to a commercial company and they can tell you where your genes are from.....'race is a social division' is Marxism BS. By the way, I've informed that Murray's website contains rebuttals to all the criticisms of his work. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 12.07pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
If it's a biological fact, you would assume there would be countless scientists of high respectability who have provided evidence and tests to support the theory, and yet you can't provide us with a single one. Strange. Probably not. Since WW2, all science regarding racial characteristics has become taboo. All I would say is that no one would argue that nature has an impact on the behaviour of every creature on Earth and yet suddenly humans are different? Makes no real sense does it? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Feb 2020 12.08pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 12.28pm | |
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Human beings have 46 chromosomes, comprised of billions of corresponding genes which work in tandem with each other to produce internal and external characteristics. There is no one gene which defines anything; rather, a complex relationship between several genes can alter the level of things such as melanin levels in a person's skin cells, probability of them developing particular types of illness, or the size of bone structures, the flow of hormones from glands to the brain etc. Scientists, the people who discovered the genome sequence, the people who created electron microscopes to see in to individual cells and the people who now are working on ways of engineering DNA to alter the characteristics of living organisms. Those people are saying that there is no evidence that a 'black' person's genetic make up is substantially different to a 'white' persons, any more so than mine is to yours. It isn't a conspiracy. It is just that science has found more evidence that disputes your prejudices, and you can't accept it. And that is true of peer-reviewed science in China, India, Europe or Africa.
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 12.34pm | |
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Deconstruction 101. Again, more argumentation on categories....word play. And your claim that biological science in places like China agree with you are bulls***. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 12.35pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 12.35pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Human beings have 46 chromosomes, comprised of billions of corresponding genes which work in tandem with each other to produce internal and external characteristics. There is no one gene which defines anything; rather, a complex relationship between several genes can alter the level of things such as melanin levels in a person's skin cells, probability of them developing particular types of illness, or the size of bone structures, the flow of hormones from glands to the brain etc. Scientists, the people who discovered the genome sequence, the people who created electron microscopes to see in to individual cells and the people who now are working on ways of engineering DNA to alter the characteristics of living organisms. Those people are saying that there is no evidence that a 'black' person's genetic make up is substantially different to a 'white' persons, any more so than mine is to yours. It isn't a conspiracy. It is just that science has found more evidence that disputes your prejudices, and you can't accept it. And that is true of peer-reviewed science in China, India, Europe or Africa. So you believe that all behaviour in all animals is down to nurture? That is what you are effectively saying.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Deconstruction 101. Again, more argumentation on categories....word play. And your claim that biological science in places like China agree with you are bulls***. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 12.35pm) Prove it.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you believe that all behaviour in all animals is down to nurture? That is what you are effectively saying.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The other problem here is that if you accept nature as a partial cause for behaviour then to a degree you can accept that blame cannot be assigned. If you claim that nurture is the entire cause then you have to direct the blame for anti social traits directly at the culture and therefore the group and the individuals.
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Prove it. Well I can't find any Chinese university that's published a paper that supports your Marxist view of 'race' as a construct. As for evidence for race, I'll repeat a paragraph I've already written. We have sickle cell, physical size averages, we have black success in sprints and long distance running events. We have IQ scores going back god knows how long...crime and murder rates from all over the world......feck you can send a dna sample away to a commercial company and they can tell you where your genes are from.....'race is a social division' is Marxism BS. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 12.52pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Feb 20 1.20pm | |
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This is what you said that started this: "we all know what the problem is with African heritage genes and it can be reduced down to lower impulse control." Since then we have had zero evidence, and a lot of angry conjecture and conspiracies. Stirling, take a break from this site and sit down and think through what you really believe. I believe you are an intelligent and reasonable person but some of these ideas you're repeating off obscure corners of the internet are monstrous.
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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 20 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is what you said that started this: "we all know what the problem is with African heritage genes and it can be reduced down to lower impulse control." Since then we have had zero evidence, and a lot of angry conjecture and conspiracies. Stirling, take a break from this site and sit down and think through what you really believe. I believe you are an intelligent and reasonable person but some of these ideas you're repeating off obscure corners of the internet are monstrous. I find it bizarre that you think that's 'monstrous'. As Hrolf said, this isn't a 'blame' game. Anyway we are going around the houses.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Feb 20 3.35pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is what you said that started this: "we all know what the problem is with African heritage genes and it can be reduced down to lower impulse control." Since then we have had zero evidence, and a lot of angry conjecture and conspiracies. Stirling, take a break from this site and sit down and think through what you really believe. I believe you are an intelligent and reasonable person but some of these ideas you're repeating off obscure corners of the internet are monstrous. Something is either true or not. The extent to which science is used as propaganda does not affect that. In the end, the route cause of the behaviour is only important in the sense that it is impossible to fix behavioural problems unless you know the cause. I know where you would like to take this discussion but the question of racial superiority is irrelevant. This is about having a better society for our children to grow up in. If certain demographics are problematic then why should we try to deny the cause whatever that may be?
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