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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Aug 19 12.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The shooters who are murdering due to replacement and no doubt other reasons specific to them are definitely a reality. However, the left cannot make the absurdly one eyed claim that rhetoric from Trump plays a factor in mass shootings while rhetoric from their politicians doesn't. Those who live in fantasy land and talk about 'challenges' and about how people are just going to have to learn to 'share' while they live at the tough end....all while they play bowls in Cornwall...well people like that are really just parodies and have nothing realistic to say. The politics of idealists have created the social incohesion that now pervades society and now we will have to live with increasingly frequent horrors. All given to us by those too stupid to recognise that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The shooters who are murdering due to replacement and no doubt other reasons specific to them are definitely a reality.

However, the left cannot make the absurdly one eyed claim that rhetoric from Trump plays a factor in mass shootings while rhetoric from their politicians doesn't.

Those who live in fantasy land and talk about 'challenges' and about how people are just going to have to learn to 'share' while they live at the tough end....all while they play bowls in Cornwall...well people like that are really just parodies and have nothing realistic to say.

The politics of idealists have created the social incohesion that now pervades society and now we will have to live with increasingly frequent horrors.

All given to us by those too stupid to recognise that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting?

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Stirlingsays 05 Aug 19 12.24pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting? Well, I'm not a supporter of making these connections, however I'm stating that if you're going down that path then it isn't one sided. As for the Democrat side. Stuff like this: [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 12.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Aug 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting?

Well, I'm not a supporter of making these connections, however I'm stating that if you're going down that path then it isn't one sided.

As for the Democrat side.

Stuff like this:

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 12.24pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Aug 19 12.41pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, I'm not a supporter of making these connections, however I'm stating that if you're going down that path then it isn't one sided. As for the Democrat side. Stuff like this: [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 12.24pm) Thanks for the link. Surely the clear difference is that the Ohio guy didn’t seem to be targeting anyone specifically, whereas the El Paso guy very clearly did - one was evidently politically motivated, one does not seem to be. If there were more examples of politically motivated left-wing killers I would agree with your point, but the numbers don’t particularly seem to support that?
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SE19 05 Aug 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I'm not a supporter of making these connections, however I'm stating that if you're going down that path then it isn't one sided.

As for the Democrat side.

Stuff like this:

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 12.24pm)

Thanks for the link.

Surely the clear difference is that the Ohio guy didn’t seem to be targeting anyone specifically, whereas the El Paso guy very clearly did - one was evidently politically motivated, one does not seem to be.

If there were more examples of politically motivated left-wing killers I would agree with your point, but the numbers don’t particularly seem to support that?

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Invalid user 2019 05 Aug 19 12.47pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting? It would first be useful to ascertain whether this person's politics had absolutely anything to do with the shooting incident. But beyond that, while I'd say that Trump's rhetoric is specifically designed to encourage and then disown the threat of violence once it occurs, there have always been dialed down versions of the same thing. And the actual mindset of those at both political extremes who would choose to engage in violence are all but identical. People who fall between the cracks of society and go down one too many online rabbit holes for their own good. Whether left, right, jihadist, people who lose meaningful connection to their fellow man and decide that the destruction of innocent lives is the answer to their own shortcomings.
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05 Aug 19 12.47pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What rhetoric specifically from Democratic politicians do you think was a factor in the Ohio shooting?

It would first be useful to ascertain whether this person's politics had absolutely anything to do with the shooting incident.

But beyond that, while I'd say that Trump's rhetoric is specifically designed to encourage and then disown the threat of violence once it occurs, there have always been dialed down versions of the same thing. And the actual mindset of those at both political extremes who would choose to engage in violence are all but identical. People who fall between the cracks of society and go down one too many online rabbit holes for their own good. Whether left, right, jihadist, people who lose meaningful connection to their fellow man and decide that the destruction of innocent lives is the answer to their own shortcomings.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 12.51pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This is the sort of result you would expect when people wake up to the threat of their replacement. You know. The stuff that people claimed was crazy talk but is now on the horizon. Some who feel powerless to stop it will lash out. Most of us will not see the logic of killing innocent people since it will make no difference to anything. The bottom line is that what this guy did was totally wrong but his belief that his race is being rapidly outnumbered and eventually replaced is legitimate. As we have discussed in another thread it isn't legitimate because it isn't true. It's yet another conspiracy theory. Maybe not of the classical type but there are enough elements there for it to be one. Take a look at this video. Please ignore that it is found on the BBC. It was published by the Open University:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 12.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is the sort of result you would expect when people wake up to the threat of their replacement.
You know. The stuff that people claimed was crazy talk but is now on the horizon.

Some who feel powerless to stop it will lash out. Most of us will not see the logic of killing innocent people since it will make no difference to anything.

The bottom line is that what this guy did was totally wrong but his belief that his race is being rapidly outnumbered and eventually replaced is legitimate.

As we have discussed in another thread it isn't legitimate because it isn't true. It's yet another conspiracy theory. Maybe not of the classical type but there are enough elements there for it to be one. Take a look at this video. Please ignore that it is found on the BBC. It was published by the Open University:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 05 Aug 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Thanks for the link. Surely the clear difference is that the Ohio guy didn’t seem to be targeting anyone specifically, whereas the El Paso guy very clearly did - one was evidently politically motivated, one does not seem to be. If there were more examples of politically motivated left-wing killers I would agree with your point, but the numbers don’t particularly seem to support that? I think I would agree with the idea that there are probably more mass shootings from those on the 'right' as opposed to 'left'....for one, they will have more guns.....and two, you have the 'replacement' factor. I have provided examples of left wing attacks like the border police attack, tranny shootings and republican politican shooting.....all not so long ago. However, these are always going to be edge cases in a population of over three hundred million....the vast majority of people on either political side just aren't violent enough to go out and do these terrible crimes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Aug 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Thanks for the link.

If there were more examples of politically motivated left-wing killers I would agree with your point, but the numbers don’t particularly seem to support that?

I think I would agree with the idea that there are probably more mass shootings from those on the 'right' as opposed to 'left'....for one, they will have more guns.....and two, you have the 'replacement' factor.

I have provided examples of left wing attacks like the border police attack, tranny shootings and republican politican shooting.....all not so long ago.

However, these are always going to be edge cases in a population of over three hundred million....the vast majority of people on either political side just aren't violent enough to go out and do these terrible crimes.

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cryrst The garden of England 05 Aug 19 12.58pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You're not young at heart! The young have a simple carefree view of the world. You have a bitter and twisted heart, like so many who share your world view. I know many men with a mental age over 12. That happens when you play lawn bowls almost every day! Many are as sharp as a needle. You need to be to play the game well. I was commenting on the racial aspects of the reactions to gun crime and not making a racial point of my own. That's no to an erection then. Sharp with the brain not with the pointy thing. Must be an age related issue. Being clever doesnt take away how we think and you get it really about men never growing up. Have you not seen Peter pan. I'm definitely not bitter and twisted. I might if JC and antifa get in.
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The garden of England 05 Aug 19 12.58pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You're not young at heart! The young have a simple carefree view of the world. You have a bitter and twisted heart, like so many who share your world view.

I know many men with a mental age over 12. That happens when you play lawn bowls almost every day! Many are as sharp as a needle. You need to be to play the game well.

I was commenting on the racial aspects of the reactions to gun crime and not making a racial point of my own.

That's no to an erection then.
Sharp with the brain not with the pointy thing.
Must be an age related issue.
Being clever doesnt take away how we think and you get it really about men never growing up.
Have you not seen Peter pan.
I'm definitely not bitter and twisted.
I might if JC and antifa get in.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 05 Aug 19 1.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think I would agree with the idea that there are probably more mass shootings from those on the 'right' as opposed to 'left'....for one, they will have more guns.....and two, you have the 'replacement' factor. I have provided examples of left wing attacks like the border police attack, tranny shootings and republican politican shooting.....all not so long ago. However, these are always going to be edge cases in a population of over three hundred million....the vast majority of people on either political side just aren't violent enough to go out and do these terrible crimes. So the argument could be made that the rhetoric from right wing commentary is proving more powerful/effective in terms of drawing people to action - impossible to quantify obviously, but it’s certainly not illogical to suggest it. Agree overall; anywhere doing this sort of thing is an extremist of one kind or another.
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SE19 05 Aug 19 1.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think I would agree with the idea that there are probably more mass shootings from those on the 'right' as opposed to 'left'....for one, they will have more guns.....and two, you have the 'replacement' factor.

I have provided examples of left wing attacks like the border police attack, tranny shootings and republican politican shooting.....all not so long ago.

So the argument could be made that the rhetoric from right wing commentary is proving more powerful/effective in terms of drawing people to action - impossible to quantify obviously, but it’s certainly not illogical to suggest it.

Agree overall; anywhere doing this sort of thing is an extremist of one kind or another.

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Stirlingsays 05 Aug 19 1.18pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So the argument could be made that the rhetoric from right wing commentary is proving more powerful/effective in terms of drawing people to action - impossible to quantify obviously, but it’s certainly not illogical to suggest it. Agree overall; anywhere doing this sort of thing is an extremist of one kind or another. Sure, issues like high immigration are hot button issues for the right. Right wing politicians aren't reflecting reality if they aren't opposing that. That said, stating opposition isn't encouraging violence.....though I know both sides are guilty of decidedly iffy statements.....Trump makes a dog whistle out of it. The Paso shooter, as with the New Zealand shooter, was motivated by replacement.....that is independent of what a politician says......indeed, they hardly mention it. Regardless of the motive it's a statement of the obvious that murdering innocent people goes against any moral reasoning.....the streets are not a battleground. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 1.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Aug 19 1.18pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Agree overall; anywhere doing this sort of thing is an extremist of one kind or another.

Sure, issues like high immigration are hot button issues for the right.

Right wing politicians aren't reflecting reality if they aren't opposing that. That said, stating opposition isn't encouraging violence.....though I know both sides are guilty of decidedly iffy statements.....Trump makes a dog whistle out of it.

The Paso shooter, as with the New Zealand shooter, was motivated by replacement.....that is independent of what a politician says......indeed, they hardly mention it.

Regardless of the motive it's a statement of the obvious that murdering innocent people goes against any moral reasoning.....the streets are not a battleground.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Aug 2019 1.24pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Aug 19 1.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As we have discussed in another thread it isn't legitimate because it isn't true. It's yet another conspiracy theory. Maybe not of the classical type but there are enough elements there for it to be one. Take a look at this video. Please ignore that it is found on the BBC. It was published by the Open University:- [Link] A daft conspiracy theory? That is no doubt what Neanderthals told themselves round the campfire. We are outnumbered 10 to 1 and in decline. Europe and the US are rapidly filling with migrants who will have more children than us and that process will accelerate in the coming decades. How does anyone arrive at the idea that our days aren't numbered? You want to compare something that can be extrapolated using current trends to Bigfoot? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Aug 2019 1.28pm)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As we have discussed in another thread it isn't legitimate because it isn't true. It's yet another conspiracy theory. Maybe not of the classical type but there are enough elements there for it to be one. Take a look at this video. Please ignore that it is found on the BBC. It was published by the Open University:-

[Link]

A daft conspiracy theory? That is no doubt what Neanderthals told themselves round the campfire.

We are outnumbered 10 to 1 and in decline. Europe and the US are rapidly filling with migrants who will have more children than us and that process will accelerate in the coming decades.

How does anyone arrive at the idea that our days aren't numbered?

You want to compare something that can be extrapolated using current trends to Bigfoot?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Aug 2019 1.28pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 1.36pm
Originally posted by cryrst That's no to an erection then. Sharp with the brain not with the pointy thing. Must be an age related issue. Being clever doesnt take away how we think and you get it really about men never growing up. Have you not seen Peter pan. I'm definitely not bitter and twisted. I might if JC and antifa get in. Prostate cancer is a bit of a bugger, but there are always around these things! Oh you certainly come across as bitter and twisted but I live in hope that your future posts will demonstrate that is incorrect. Don't worry about JC. He is on the slippery slide to a historical footnote. Antifa already are. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 19 1.36pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Prostate cancer is a bit of a bugger, but there are always around these things!

Oh you certainly come across as bitter and twisted but I live in hope that your future posts will demonstrate that is incorrect.

Don't worry about JC. He is on the slippery slide to a historical footnote. Antifa already are.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 05 Aug 19 1.41pm
in 1970 Texas the hispanic population stood at around 17.7.....for 2017 Hispanics (of any race) were 39.4% of the population of the state [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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in 1970 Texas the hispanic population stood at around 17.7.....for 2017 Hispanics (of any race) were 39.4% of the population of the state

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