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ChrisGC  Wantage 06 Feb 19 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
No need to. I’ll tell you what I’ll do. I’ll call Betfair Exchange and tell them they’re wrong that there’s 4% of winners and people making good returns on their money because Chris from Wantsge said so. Hopefully all bookies won’t restrict and lift all my restrictions so I can BOG back and no stake limits. Win win. So you're in this 4% of punters who make money (only 4!!) @ 20% profit on bets, so if we assume you're rockafella and place £10,000 a month in bets, that's only £2000 a month profit (not enough to justify doing it full time) and they are all banning you?! Come on mate, even if you weren't talking bollox about your winnings surely you can see it's a rigged game. How can you advocate participation?
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 Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
So you're in this 4% of punters who make money (only 4!!) @ 20% profit on bets, so if we assume you're rockafella and place £10,000 a month in bets, that's only £2000 a month profit (not enough to justify doing it full time) and they are all banning you?! Come on mate, even if you weren't talking bollox about your winnings surely you can see it's a rigged game. How can you advocate participation? My business is my business. I know how it works and it does. Just because you’ve experienced blokes in a pub caning money on a regular basis because they’ve spent 30 seconds research per bet and probably none in trying to change their overs strategy doesn’t mean it applies to everyone. The time I spend placing bets probably amounts to about 30 minutes or more. I don’t have BOG but do have bookies I can use. I’d be concerned if my ROI was very low but it isn’t and there’s also the exchange for higher odds where you can claw back what you didn’t make with BOG by taking price at the time or BFSP Betfair Starting Price. This is where the longer term punter can nullify this. I also rarely go each way because win only is better longer term. Believe what you like. It makes no difference to me.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 06 Feb 19 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
My business is my business. I know how it works and it does. Just because you’ve experienced blokes in a pub caning money on a regular basis because they’ve spent 30 seconds research per bet and probably none in trying to change their overs strategy doesn’t mean it applies to everyone. The time I spend placing bets probably amounts to about 30 minutes or more. I don’t have BOG but do have bookies I can use. I’d be concerned if my ROI was very low but it isn’t and there’s also the exchange for higher odds where you can claw back what you didn’t make with BOG by taking price at the time or BFSP Betfair Starting Price. This is where the longer term punter can nullify this. I also rarely go each way because win only is better longer term. Believe what you like. It makes no difference to me. 30 minutes? Wow. Masterful. You sound like what you are: someone with a gambling problem trying to justify their irrational position. You could very easily prove your point and me wrong by simply screenshotting your account. It would take far less than half an hour: you could even do it next time you log on to check your ROI and not expend any additional effort at all. You won't do this, not through any genuine sense of defiance driven by pride, but because you are in all probability fibbing.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
30 minutes? Wow. Masterful. You sound like what you are: someone with a gambling problem trying to justify their irrational position. You could very easily prove your point and me wrong by simply screenshotting your account. It would take far less than half an hour: you could even do it next time you log on to check your ROI and not expend any additional effort at all. You won't do this, not through any genuine sense of defiance driven by pride, but because you are in all probability fibbing. Righto. You may be gaining some satisfaction in annoying other people in the short time you’ve been on HOL but you won’t me. I don’t need to justify myself to someone who knows naff all about any of this.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 1.43pm |
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This geezer is free. One of the several I use. Not even paid for, so think about the paid for ones as well. Think before shouting.
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Attachment: | ChrisGC Wantage 06 Feb 19 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
This geezer is free. One of the several I use. Not even paid for, so think about the paid for ones as well. Think before shouting. One of the several you use? So how does this work, do you give him your money and they lay the bet then, or do they give you tips and you go off and lay the bet? That graphic looks like you hold an account directly with this entity.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 06 Feb 19 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
This geezer is free. One of the several I use. Not even paid for, so think about the paid for ones as well. Think before shouting. The ROI bit concerns me. If you've subscribed to a service where you put money in and the 'tipster' handles the placing of the bets and gives you a return on your investment, you're not gambling mate, you're in a Ponzi scheme FFS! Cut and run before you get shafted. This type of return on "investment" is never free.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
The ROI bit concerns me. If you've subscribed to a service where you put money in and the 'tipster' handles the placing of the bets and gives you a return on your investment, you're not gambling mate, you're in a Ponzi scheme FFS! Cut and run before you get shafted. This type of return on "investment" is never free. I place my own bets. I know you’re finding this hard to accept but just do. Edited by Rudi Hedman (06 Feb 2019 2.14pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
One of the several you use? So how does this work, do you give him your money and they lay the bet then, or do they give you tips and you go off and lay the bet? That graphic looks like you hold an account directly with this entity. The information is either free or on average £30 per month. I give the tipster nothing more.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 06 Feb 19 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The information is either free or on average £30 per month. I give the tipster nothing more. So where does the ROI information come from then?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 19 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
So where does the ROI information come from then? FFS man, from tips provided. Returns from winning bets at recorded advised stakes divided by Number of bets placed x flat stakes x 100. I can’t be fvcked with this any more.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 06 Feb 19 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
FFS man, from tips provided. Returns from winning bets at recorded advised stakes divided by Number of bets placed x flat stakes x 100. I can’t be fvcked with this any more. No, what I mean is: If you're given tips and then you go off and place them with your own bookie, how has the information on all of those different bets been collected and then calculated to give you your ROI? You must either be using the tipster as your vehicle for placing the bets, or you must be inputting all of that info into a program yourself. Without intentionally trying to Morton's fork you, the former IS a Ponzi scheme (free to join or not) and the later is reliant on the honesty and accuracy of the information you input from multiple sources across hundreds and hundreds of bets so it's completely unreliable.
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