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becky over the moon 20 Jan 19 9.25pm
As they say - History is written by the victors A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 20 Jan 19 9.25pm

As they say - History is written by the victors

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jan 19 9.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Hitler is the linchpin in responsibility for well over 15 maybe 20 million deaths. This puts him up there in amongst the most awful human beings of all time. However Hitler's service record in WW1 is pretty strong evidence that he was no physical coward. His activities in the 20s and early 30s were similar to how a mafia leader would behave and he was at risk of death many times over. I think the need to reject something truly awful can sometimes get in the way of acknowledging truths because we don't want to be seen as being positive. It's the same thing where they call suicide bombers cowards when they plainly aren't......It isn't praise it's just a recognition of a situation for what it is. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 8.56pm) It really doesn't matter if Hitler was brave or not or if a soldier could have killed him or not. What matters is that killing Hitler could make matters worse in the short term and be insignificant in the longer term. The whole idea is stupid. Decisions made are made without foresight of the future. That is how it must be. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jan 2019 9.26pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Hitler is the linchpin in responsibility for well over 15 maybe 20 million deaths. This puts him up there in amongst the most awful human beings of all time.

However Hitler's service record in WW1 is pretty strong evidence that he was no physical coward. His activities in the 20s and early 30s were similar to how a mafia leader would behave and he was at risk of death many times over.

I think the need to reject something truly awful can sometimes get in the way of acknowledging truths because we don't want to be seen as being positive.

It's the same thing where they call suicide bombers cowards when they plainly aren't......It isn't praise it's just a recognition of a situation for what it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 8.56pm)

It really doesn't matter if Hitler was brave or not or if a soldier could have killed him or not.
What matters is that killing Hitler could make matters worse in the short term and be insignificant in the longer term.

The whole idea is stupid. Decisions made are made without foresight of the future. That is how it must be.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jan 2019 9.26pm)

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Stirlingsays 20 Jan 19 10.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger It really doesn't matter if Hitler was brave or not or if a soldier could have killed him or not. What matters is that killing Hitler could make matters worse in the short term and be insignificant in the longer term. The whole idea is stupid. Decisions made are made without foresight of the future. That is how it must be. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jan 2019 9.26pm) The thread title is 'Baby Hitler'......So of course the whole topic was a silly one to begin with......But I consider it a fun one to look into if not attached to hyper serious events of the past. How would history have advanced if Hitler had died on a WW1 battlefield......would the nuclear bomb have been used more regularly.....Or perhaps it might have been used in the Korean war instead and then attained the fear of its usage that we have. I suspect many books have been written on it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Jan 19 10.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The whole idea is stupid. Decisions made are made without foresight of the future. That is how it must be.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Jan 2019 9.26pm)

The thread title is 'Baby Hitler'......So of course the whole topic was a silly one to begin with......But I consider it a fun one to look into if not attached to hyper serious events of the past.

How would history have advanced if Hitler had died on a WW1 battlefield......would the nuclear bomb have been used more regularly.....Or perhaps it might have been used in the Korean war instead and then attained the fear of its usage that we have.

I suspect many books have been written on it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jan 19 10.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The thread title is 'Baby Hitler'......So of course the whole topic was a silly one to begin with......But I consider it a fun one to look into if not attached to hyper serious events of the past. How would history have advanced if Hitler had died on a WW1 battlefield......would the nuclear bomb have been used more regularly.....Or perhaps it might have been used in the Korean war instead and then attained the fear of its usage that we have. I suspect many books have been written on it. OK. so now you are talking hypothetical alternative futures. On that, I'd say that it is impossible to predict other than that I'm sure there would have been conventional conflicts up until the point where someone invented the bomb. The best thing you can say about the existing past is that we built the bomb first. KIlling Hitler might have allowed the Russians or Germans to do it eventually and flatten London or Washington.
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20 Jan 19 10.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The thread title is 'Baby Hitler'......So of course the whole topic was a silly one to begin with......But I consider it a fun one to look into if not attached to hyper serious events of the past.

I suspect many books have been written on it.

OK. so now you are talking hypothetical alternative futures.

On that, I'd say that it is impossible to predict other than that I'm sure there would have been conventional conflicts up until the point where someone invented the bomb.
The best thing you can say about the existing past is that we built the bomb first. KIlling Hitler might have allowed the Russians or Germans to do it eventually and
flatten London or Washington.

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Stirlingsays 20 Jan 19 10.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger OK. so now you are talking hypothetical alternative futures. On that, I'd say that it is impossible to predict other than that I'm sure there would have been conventional conflicts up until the point where someone invented the bomb. The best thing you can say about the existing past is that we built the bomb first. KIlling Hitler might have allowed the Russians or Germans to do it eventually and flatten London or Washington. It's definitely a possibility....or maybe Stalin wouldn't have lasted as long because he wouldn't have had the same war legacy.....like the beats of the butterfly wings I guess it's impossible to know the extent of the impacts.....What if Churchill's war time heart attack had been fatal? Would it have affected today's car insurance? Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 10.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Jan 19 10.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

OK. so now you are talking hypothetical alternative futures.

It's definitely a possibility....or maybe Stalin wouldn't have lasted as long because he wouldn't have had the same war legacy.....like the beats of the butterfly wings I guess it's impossible to know the extent of the impacts.....What if Churchill's war time heart attack had been fatal?

Would it have affected today's car insurance?

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 10.28pm)

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YT Oxford 20 Jan 19 10.34pm
As another aside, it annoys me when people say that something yet to happen could “change the course of history”. The latest example I can offer is Yvette Cooper re. Brexit..she said that MPs had the opportunity to “change the course of history”. Er no, lover, history has already happened; you can’t change it. Rudi, please back me up here! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 20 Jan 19 10.34pm

As another aside, it annoys me when people say that something yet to happen could “change the course of history”. The latest example I can offer is Yvette Cooper re. Brexit..she said that MPs had the opportunity to “change the course of history”. Er no, lover, history has already happened; you can’t change it.

Rudi, please back me up here!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Mr Palaceman 20 Jan 19 11.22pm
Killing hitler would not have made a difference imho. Germany was already engaged in mass genocide and concentration camps long before hitler was in power. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

20 Jan 19 11.22pm

Killing hitler would not have made a difference imho. Germany was already engaged in mass genocide and concentration camps long before hitler was in power.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Jan 19 11.52pm
Originally posted by YT As another aside, it annoys me when people say that something yet to happen could “change the course of history”. The latest example I can offer is Yvette Cooper re. Brexit..she said that MPs had the opportunity to “change the course of history”. Er no, lover, history has already happened; you can’t change it. Rudi, please back me up here! You’re right, she’s full of Balls. Unless you’re having an affair with her, referring to her as lover. COYP
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Caterham 20 Jan 19 11.52pm

Originally posted by YT

Rudi, please back me up here!

You’re right, she’s full of Balls.

Unless you’re having an affair with her, referring to her as lover.

COYP

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ChrisGC Wantage 21 Jan 19 7.38am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman Killing hitler would not have made a difference imho. Germany was already engaged in mass genocide and concentration camps long before hitler was in power. Eh?
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Wantage 21 Jan 19 7.38am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Killing hitler would not have made a difference imho. Germany was already engaged in mass genocide and concentration camps long before hitler was in power.

Eh?

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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jan 19 10.42am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's definitely a possibility....or maybe Stalin wouldn't have lasted as long because he wouldn't have had the same war legacy.....like the beats of the butterfly wings I guess it's impossible to know the extent of the impacts.....What if Churchill's war time heart attack had been fatal? Would it have affected today's car insurance? Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 10.28pm) Certainly 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers would not have been made and that would have been a tragedy.
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21 Jan 19 10.42am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Would it have affected today's car insurance?

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 10.28pm)

Certainly 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers would not have been made and that would have been a tragedy.

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