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 Badger11  Beckenham 16 Oct 18 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'James Dyson is one of Britain's finest engineers and produces excellent, energy-efficient goods. Among the best in the world.' Expensive inefficient products that are routinely replaced by even more expensive inefficient products. Try locating a Dyson that is 2 years old they usually die at the end of the guarantee period. 'Mutton dressed as lamb'. People who use vacuum cleaners heavily in hotels etc. you will never find a Dyson there. A water vole has more life expectation than his crumby tat. I need to lie down, I happen to agree with you Steeleye20. My conventional German cleaner (it was great) died after 20 years and I replaced it with a Dyson. I found it overly complicated to use, empty and clean the filters. My sister in law sold electrical goods she reckons they had more faulty Dyson's returned than any other cleaner. This was about 10 years ago but I would be very wary in buying a new one. For large scale cleaning many people seem to prefer a Henry so I may get one of those next time.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 18 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I need to lie down, I happen to agree with you Steeleye20. My conventional German cleaner (it was great) died after 20 years and I replaced it with a Dyson. I found it overly complicated to use, empty and clean the filters. My sister in law sold electrical goods she reckons they had more faulty Dyson's returned than any other cleaner. This was about 10 years ago but I would be very wary in buying a new one. For large scale cleaning many people seem to prefer a Henry so I may get one of those next time. Must be telepathy, I just agreed with you on better wages.
I don't know how your blood pressure is, but I am reading HS2 cost is now estimated at 104 billions........
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 18 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Must be telepathy, I just agreed with you on better wages.
I don't know how your blood pressure is, but I am reading HS2 cost is now estimated at 104 billions........ Jinx again, spend the money on improving transport links oop north.
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| Midlands Eagle 16 Oct 18 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't know how your blood pressure is, but I am reading HS2 cost is now estimated at 104 billions........ That figure includes a hefty lump sum payable to me as the bloody thing is going to run 150 yards from my house
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Oct 18 2.32pm |
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If you can't work out why this is, then there really is no point. Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Oct 2018 2.58pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Oct 18 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'James Dyson is one of Britain's finest engineers and produces excellent, energy-efficient goods. Among the best in the world.' Expensive inefficient products that are routinely replaced by even more expensive inefficient products. Try locating a Dyson that is 2 years old they usually die at the end of the guarantee period. 'Mutton dressed as lamb'. People who use vacuum cleaners heavily in hotels etc. you will never find a Dyson there. A water vole has more life expectation than his crumby tat. Again, the general point has gone over your head. It's not about whether cleaners use Dysons in hotels! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Oct 2018 2.56pm)
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| Deleted11 16 Oct 18 5.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Again, the general point has gone over your head. It's not about whether cleaners use Dysons in hotels! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Oct 2018 2.56pm) Penge, I agree with your idea on entrepreneurship, but, Dyson as well as Jobs, Zuckerburg, Bezos and even Gates should in no way be deified (which is probably THE biggest problem in all societies). All their products are good, but not without flaws and more importantly easily replaceable. Granted, they should be considered potentially as revolutionary in the way they have packaged their ideas, but, they would never had managed to do any of it without the publicly funded postal service, space programs, road building programs, etc, that have been implemented. I'm not saying entrepreneurs are pointless, but they are not the 'geniuses' behind the creation of the fundamentals behind their products. They are visionaries in a different way and I believe gvnt and entrepreneurs should work together.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 18 7.24pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Penge, I agree with your idea on entrepreneurship, but, Dyson as well as Jobs, Zuckerburg, Bezos and even Gates should in no way be deified (which is probably THE biggest problem in all societies). All their products are good, but not without flaws and more importantly easily replaceable. Granted, they should be considered potentially as revolutionary in the way they have packaged their ideas, but, they would never had managed to do any of it without the publicly funded postal service, space programs, road building programs, etc, that have been implemented. I'm not saying entrepreneurs are pointless, but they are not the 'geniuses' behind the creation of the fundamentals behind their products. They are visionaries in a different way and I believe gvnt and entrepreneurs should work together. Dyson's products are rubbish. If they were any good, and fulfilled his claims for them, then you would simply not need to buy them again. He did not invent the vacuum cleaner, it was not his idea, the original hoover junior was a far better product, it would last for many years. His tat with its fake see-through design, and that yellow thing that goes up and down , well you have to laugh that the public swallow that it is of any use at all. He should put a stripe on the next model, the public will flock thinking it is the F1 of vacuum cleaners.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 18 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Jinx again, spend the money on improving transport links oop north. Even for the Tories vanity drawer, 104 billions on improved transport links up north, is a bit of a stretch.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Oct 18 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Penge, I agree with your idea on entrepreneurship, but, Dyson as well as Jobs, Zuckerburg, Bezos and even Gates should in no way be deified (which is probably THE biggest problem in all societies). All their products are good, but not without flaws and more importantly easily replaceable. Granted, they should be considered potentially as revolutionary in the way they have packaged their ideas, but, they would never had managed to do any of it without the publicly funded postal service, space programs, road building programs, etc, that have been implemented. I'm not saying entrepreneurs are pointless, but they are not the 'geniuses' behind the creation of the fundamentals behind their products. They are visionaries in a different way and I believe gvnt and entrepreneurs should work together. We are veering off topic slightly... The point I was trying to make is the free market is more effective than government for saving the environment. Another example, the clueless politicians behind the Paris Accord wanted to see a massive hit to the US economy – with factories shut and jobs lost – to reach an arbitrary temperature level when efficiency improvements in US manufacturing through better technology is reducing carbon anyway.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 18 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
We are veering off topic slightly... The point I was trying to make is the free market is more effective than government for saving the environment. Another example, the clueless politicians behind the Paris Accord wanted to see a massive hit to the US economy – with factories shut and jobs lost – to reach an arbitrary temperature level when efficiency improvements in US manufacturing through better technology is reducing carbon anyway. What better technology, Trump is supporting coal while the rest of the world is phasing it out. The Paris Accord is vital to the world, it is Trump's fault if he has completely missed the trick on climate change. Watch this space I have heard he may change his mind, that would be a step forward for him and us. How can trade wars possibly be a free market. As for clueless.........
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 16 Oct 18 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
What better technology, Trump is supporting coal while the rest of the world is phasing it out. The Paris Accord is vital to the world, it is Trump's fault if he has completely missed the trick on climate change. Watch this space I have heard he may change his mind, that would be a step forward for him and us. How can trade wars possibly be a free market. As for clueless......... Why don't you at least come back with some facts instead of a diatribe about Trump?
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