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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 03 Oct 18 12.25pm
where do people believe we should be by now? If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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where do people believe we should be by now?

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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RyWa Beckenham 03 Oct 18 12.30pm
I believe we should be finishing between 8th & 12th after a season of solidity and not panic.
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Beckenham 03 Oct 18 12.30pm

I believe we should be finishing between 8th & 12th after a season of solidity and not panic.

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Nobbybm Dartford 03 Oct 18 12.43pm
Whilst I understand the sentiment I think we've come a long way since promotion. There have been ground improvements, new pitch, lights, PA system, disabled access etc all needed to remain in the PL. The squad is probably the best we've had but that could be said for most PL teams as the league has improved/got tougher year on year. To put things into perspective, the year we were promoted the teams that went down are Wigan, Reading & QPR & they've suffered since. The teams that were in the PL in our first season back included Villa, Cardiff, Fulham, Hull, Norwich, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea & WBA, none of which has 'survived' like we have. Several of those were referred to as "a solid, mid-table club" yet here we are with most not in the PL & the other two just promoted. I think it's reasonable to say that any team outside the top 5 or 6 is susceptible to relegation & they are all running just to stand still (or possibly even accepting their fate already). Edited by Nobbybm (03 Oct 2018 12.44pm) Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Dartford 03 Oct 18 12.43pm

Whilst I understand the sentiment I think we've come a long way since promotion.

There have been ground improvements, new pitch, lights, PA system, disabled access etc all needed to remain in the PL.

The squad is probably the best we've had but that could be said for most PL teams as the league has improved/got tougher year on year.

To put things into perspective, the year we were promoted the teams that went down are Wigan, Reading & QPR & they've suffered since.

The teams that were in the PL in our first season back included Villa, Cardiff, Fulham, Hull, Norwich, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea & WBA, none of which has 'survived' like we have. Several of those were referred to as "a solid, mid-table club" yet here we are with most not in the PL & the other two just promoted.

I think it's reasonable to say that any team outside the top 5 or 6 is susceptible to relegation & they are all running just to stand still (or possibly even accepting their fate already).

Edited by Nobbybm (03 Oct 2018 12.44pm)

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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 03 Oct 18 12.48pm
Originally posted by RyWa I believe we should be finishing between 8th & 12th after a season of solidity and not panic. And who's to say we won't is my point? I'm certainly not feeling even slightly panicky about where we're at and think we're capable of (and will deliver) significantly improved performances & results. If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.
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Wickham de L'Ouest 03 Oct 18 12.48pm

Originally posted by RyWa

I believe we should be finishing between 8th & 12th after a season of solidity and not panic.

And who's to say we won't is my point? I'm certainly not feeling even slightly panicky about where we're at and think we're capable of (and will deliver) significantly improved performances & results.

If you want to live in a world full of kindness, respect and love, try to show these qualities.

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johnmcormick8 Brundish 03 Oct 18 12.53pm
agreed Originally posted by NEILLO The thing is in the Premier League it's thin dividing lines. Ward and Sakho miss gilt edge headers that cost us 3 points. Benteke squandered chances against Southampton which might have seen us get a ( undeserved ) draw. Then we have last night's penalty... We could be 4 points better off and probably should be. Individual errors are difficult to legislate for particularly when we actually do have a fairly talented team - and the current group are arguably the best we have had in the last six years. Unless we get a Chelsea / Man City type of financial investment, Palace will continue to occupy places in the middle to lower half of the table in the same way that a lot of other clubs do. Just so long as don't finish in that bottom three....
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agreed

Originally posted by NEILLO

The thing is in the Premier League it's thin dividing lines.

Ward and Sakho miss gilt edge headers that cost us 3 points. Benteke squandered chances against Southampton which might have seen us get a ( undeserved ) draw. Then we have last night's penalty...

We could be 4 points better off and probably should be. Individual errors are difficult to legislate for particularly when we actually do have a fairly talented team - and the current group are arguably the best we have had in the last six years.

Unless we get a Chelsea / Man City type of financial investment, Palace will continue to occupy places in the middle to lower half of the table in the same way that a lot of other clubs do. Just so long as don't finish in that bottom three....

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Master Coin 03 Oct 18 12.54pm
The reality is that the fans (with maybe one or two exceptions) of EVERY club who finishes between 7th and 17th have an expectation of pushing for a top 10 finish the subsequent year. Unfortunately, the boards of these teams typically have the same expectation which is why the managerial turnover is so ridiculous. The financial outlay of teams is also commensurate with everybody trying to kick on. This is even tougher this year because normally the few teams you can expect to struggle and have an "avoid relegation" aspiration are the newly promoted sides and even they have loftier ambitions this year with Fulham and Wolves having spent huge and targeted instant success. The idea of 'stability' for anybody but the top 6 (and maybe Everton) is madness. Case in point is Southampton who qualified for Europe for about 3 consecutive seasons and then last year were on a last minute relegation panic. TL,DR: It's a tough league. Edited by Master Coin (03 Oct 2018 12.55pm)
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03 Oct 18 12.54pm

The reality is that the fans (with maybe one or two exceptions) of EVERY club who finishes between 7th and 17th have an expectation of pushing for a top 10 finish the subsequent year.

Unfortunately, the boards of these teams typically have the same expectation which is why the managerial turnover is so ridiculous. The financial outlay of teams is also commensurate with everybody trying to kick on.

This is even tougher this year because normally the few teams you can expect to struggle and have an "avoid relegation" aspiration are the newly promoted sides and even they have loftier ambitions this year with Fulham and Wolves having spent huge and targeted instant success.

The idea of 'stability' for anybody but the top 6 (and maybe Everton) is madness. Case in point is Southampton who qualified for Europe for about 3 consecutive seasons and then last year were on a last minute relegation panic.

TL,DR: It's a tough league.

Edited by Master Coin (03 Oct 2018 12.55pm)

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victor43 St. Albans 03 Oct 18 12.55pm
We've made massive progress in 5 years, both on and off the pitch. The fact is below the top 6 it is a bit of a lottery and you need to keep improving year on year even to stay up. Look at Swansea, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom - all seen as model mid-table clubs at one point or another - now 3 in the Championship and 1 almost joined them last year. Our squad is lightyears ahead in terms of quality in comparison to the first season in the Prem, and has got better every year. This season we have struggled slightly from losing Cabaye and RLC, and our attacking options look quite poor. As people have said, I don't know what is expected. When we were flying last season, we were the 7th best team in the league - however a lot of clubs have spent massively this summer - Everton, Brighton, Fulham, Wolves, West Ham even Bournemouth. I reckon we are around the 10-12th best team in the league and that is roughly where we'll finish. Not every team can finish in a higher position each season, it's not possible! Blog: Andy Johnson's Magic Hat [Link] Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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St. Albans 03 Oct 18 12.55pm

We've made massive progress in 5 years, both on and off the pitch. The fact is below the top 6 it is a bit of a lottery and you need to keep improving year on year even to stay up.

Look at Swansea, Stoke, Southampton, West Brom - all seen as model mid-table clubs at one point or another - now 3 in the Championship and 1 almost joined them last year.

Our squad is lightyears ahead in terms of quality in comparison to the first season in the Prem, and has got better every year. This season we have struggled slightly from losing Cabaye and RLC, and our attacking options look quite poor.

As people have said, I don't know what is expected. When we were flying last season, we were the 7th best team in the league - however a lot of clubs have spent massively this summer - Everton, Brighton, Fulham, Wolves, West Ham even Bournemouth.

I reckon we are around the 10-12th best team in the league and that is roughly where we'll finish. Not every team can finish in a higher position each season, it's not possible!

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RyWa Beckenham 03 Oct 18 12.56pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig And who's to say we won't is my point? I'm certainly not feeling even slightly panicky about where we're at and think we're capable of (and will deliver) significantly improved performances & results. I generally echo your sentiment, what could turn the tide is having lost to Bournemouth, we've got top 4 coming up in a row in a game or two, if we were to pick up little to no points from the next 5 or 6, it will turn to panic and this place will meltdown. Im confident we can snatch something v Arsenal and United.. Its all a case of wait and see, it is what it is.
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Beckenham 03 Oct 18 12.56pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I generally echo your sentiment, what could turn the tide is having lost to Bournemouth, we've got top 4 coming up in a row in a game or two, if we were to pick up little to no points from the next 5 or 6, it will turn to panic and this place will meltdown.
Im confident we can snatch something v Arsenal and United.. Its all a case of wait and see, it is what it is.

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Master Coin 03 Oct 18 12.57pm
To illustrate my earlier point here is a short list of teams who (as little as two years ago) many would have thought were safe bets for a mid-table finish:- Swansea City Stoke City
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03 Oct 18 12.57pm

To illustrate my earlier point here is a short list of teams who (as little as two years ago) many would have thought were safe bets for a mid-table finish:-

Swansea City
Stoke City

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Painter Croydon 03 Oct 18 1.49pm
Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig I meant in the market really. AWB is an absolute gem. How many players would you say "wow, what a player for 5 million quid"? Hennessy not bad value for £3.3m.
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Croydon 03 Oct 18 1.49pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I meant in the market really. AWB is an absolute gem. How many players would you say "wow, what a player for 5 million quid"?

Hennessy not bad value for £3.3m.

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The Dolphin 03 Oct 18 2.45pm
I agree we have a come a long way in many respects but on the pitch we are stuttering again and given that we are 7 games in and have only played Liverpool (from the top 6) so far I worry with the fixtures that we have coming up. I truly believe that we should be better placed right now given the quality of sides that we have played. I am not asking for and nor do I expect top 8 but my concern is that other teams on the pitch - bar a very few - appear to be stronger and better but we don't. It will be what it will be but I bet there is concern right through the Club at the moment. Knowing us though - we will go and beat three of the top 6!
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03 Oct 18 2.45pm

I agree we have a come a long way in many respects but on the pitch we are stuttering again and given that we are 7 games in and have only played Liverpool (from the top 6) so far I worry with the fixtures that we have coming up.
I truly believe that we should be better placed right now given the quality of sides that we have played.
I am not asking for and nor do I expect top 8 but my concern is that other teams on the pitch - bar a very few - appear to be stronger and better but we don't.
It will be what it will be but I bet there is concern right through the Club at the moment.
Knowing us though - we will go and beat three of the top 6!

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Oct 18 9.20pm
Originally posted by palacebob Watford and leicester come to mind they look solid dont rely on managers wasting money or chairmen buying players there is more than one way to survive its a back room problem for sure but not a manager issue any manager will only be short term that is the way of the game either let Dougie do his job which means trusting him or get someone in that you will trust. The managers only known fact from the start is he will go one way or another he will be gone even the good ones go. A quick rant ..... i really dont understand fans that say we need to spend big to succeed look at the the top six you could build several teams around the players they wasted money on Chelseas fixation with center forwards is horrific city no different with young players no team outside the top 6 could survive playing that game its a pundits answer to everything "you are with the big boys now" absolute Boxxoxs ....in my opinion...Rant over Mind you what do i know i thought Frank was the answer as previously stated the Burnley game looked like a new beginning was starting.. in my defense no one mentioned his megalomaniac personality in any press conference Edited by palacebob (03 Oct 2018 12.21pm) And breathe
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The garden of England 03 Oct 18 9.20pm

Originally posted by palacebob

Watford and leicester come to mind they look solid dont rely on managers wasting money or chairmen buying players there is more than one way to survive its a back room problem for sure but not a manager issue any manager will only be short term that is the way of the game either let Dougie do his job which means trusting him or get someone in that you will trust.
The managers only known fact from the start is he will go one way or another he will be gone even the good ones go.
A quick rant .....
i really dont understand fans that say we need to spend big to succeed look at the the top six you could build several teams around the players they wasted money on Chelseas fixation with center forwards is horrific city no different with young players no team outside the top 6 could survive playing that game its a pundits answer to everything "you are with the big boys now" absolute Boxxoxs ....in my opinion...Rant over
Mind you what do i know i thought Frank was the answer as previously stated the Burnley game looked like a new beginning was starting.. in my defense no one mentioned his megalomaniac personality in any press conference

Edited by palacebob (03 Oct 2018 12.21pm)

And breathe

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