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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Oct 18 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
And the past 10yrs have been...............? Exactly how has it been that bad?
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johnno42000 03 Oct 18 10.19pm | |
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The lot of them are useless. I include Corbyn, May, Farage, Johnson, Abbot, Rees-Mogg, the whole lot of them. I know it's probably my age but I look back at some politicians and feel so down about the ones that are about now. The ones I look back on aren't always ones that I agreed with but they had their own beliefs and stood by them. So very few of them about these days. I'd say Dennis Skinner is one and Bill Cash is another. I disagree with Cash but he has kept faith with his Brexit views and I can admire that. Skinner is an old style socialist and I admire him so much for donating a lot of his mp's pay to the miners strike fund. It's a pity there aren't more like these about.
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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 18 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
The lot of them are useless. I include Corbyn, May, Farage, Johnson, Abbot, Rees-Mogg, the whole lot of them. I know it's probably my age but I look back at some politicians and feel so down about the ones that are about now. The ones I look back on aren't always ones that I agreed with but they had their own beliefs and stood by them. So very few of them about these days. I'd say Dennis Skinner is one and Bill Cash is another. I disagree with Cash but he has kept faith with his Brexit views and I can admire that. Skinner is an old style socialist and I admire him so much for donating a lot of his mp's pay to the miners strike fund. It's a pity there aren't more like these about. Agreed. I heard a journalist complain about the lack of first rate politicians from all parties. To justify his argument he read out a list of post war politicians up to the 1970's. This didn't include those who became Prime Minster. None of the current lot could hold a candle to them. Men (sorry it was just men) who served in the war and had experience in business / shop floor and other fields not just straight out of university into the party. Sadly that calibre of person runs a mile from politics today so we end up with second rate brains and chancers.
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Oct 18 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I thought it was an excellent speech I only saw the bits on the news but I agree that it was the best speech possible from her. Obviously most of it was complete and utter bollocks but that is pretty irrelevant as she wont be leader of the Tories in 12 months time.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Oct 18 11.08am | |
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After all the 'burning injustices' people's lives ruined all from her policies at the Home Office, she crows about some minister being 2nd generation windrush. I think she will be there and that brexit will be dashed, as she left the door open.
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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 18 1.04pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
I only saw the bits on the news but I agree that it was the best speech possible from her. Obviously most of it was complete and utter bollocks but that is pretty irrelevant as she wont be leader of the Tories in 12 months time. I will judge her on the deal / no deal the rest is just hot air. Judge me by my deeds not my words.
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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Oct 18 2.07pm | |
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Very clever but utterly unscrupulous and therefore tory policy, to appeal to 'decent patriots'. The inference obviously being that not only are you unpatriotic if you dare to disagree with her policies however unclear, but you are not decent either !!!!!!!! Either you are with us 100% regardless of what we are, or you are not fit to live with pigs ! But Mrs May, I am fit to live with pigs
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 04 Oct 18 2.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I will judge her on the deal / no deal the rest is just hot air. Judge me by my deeds not my words. in the last two years she's done next to nothing in terms of delivering on any policy whatsoever let along Brexit. An abject failure and dereliction of duty (thus far).
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Sportyteacher London 05 Oct 18 5.15pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I thought it was a work of pure fantasy and hypocrisy. Magic money tree anyone? A promise to raise public spending and increase borrowing on house building without any explanations of where the revenue will come from? Even Labour have actually costed their spending plans. Talking about how wonderful the UK is, a place to where people from pakistan can move and become bus drivers and their kids can then be Home Secretary (while neatly forgetting that she's about to stop this very thing from happening). About how brilliant that a 2nd generation windrusher is in the cabinet (avoiding the fact that she was responsible for denying UK citizens their rights who were part of that generation as part of her hostile environment, and refusing to apologise for the human toll of her egregious treatment of those people). Talking about how terrible Labour's anti-semitism fallout has been (true) but forgetting (conveniently) that her own party has supported Victor Orban (an actual anti-semite in charge of another EU country who they protected from EU sanctions). Talking about the Tories being a party of unity, glossing over the fact that the Tories have been responsible for the biggest division of our society we've seen for a thousand years. The country is divided along stark lines (more like trenches) of leavers and remainers, young vs old, rich vs poor, 'kippers vs migrants. There was zero substance, just delusion and hubris designed to keep her alive for a couple more weeks and to keep Boris et al at bay. It may have succeeded in doing that but it was not a good speech if what you want is policy or direction on Brexit. All that May achieved was to buy herself some more time and plant some well placed verbal punches in the direction of Boris & Jezza. She still has to get Chequers 'agreement' through Parliament and past the EU that she won't achieve and is effectively 'a dead PM walking'. Reality also is that quality of Opposition politics has also reached a new depth in quality. Corbyn is now blighted by anti-semitism row that has highlighted his weak leadership skills, not to mention poor judgment in shadow cabinet as he still endorses the likes of Dianne Abbott (who seems to have disappeared quite tellingly of late). Lib Dems have vanished from front-line politics by the looks of it with Vince desperate to pass on the leadership to...well, anybody! Politically, the country is in one helluva dire, tangled mess - well, you get the MPs that you vote for.
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