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cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Aug 18 9.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort

Cortisol is the stress hormone this effects weight loss in a big way it can even make you look like you have larger belly and how the body uses what you in take which is why I originally mentioned stress.

But some one went off subject and tried to go into other things I am guessing to debunk damage alcohol does.

Nope don't think it was said that it didn't cause damage.
In moderation it is ok.
I do think though that secondary damage caused by alcohol is a lot worse than primary damage. In a medical ,affect on the body type of way.
Say accidents due to drink,or fights or the affect on families.
That side is never used in advertising and would possibly have a more sobering affect (excuse the pun) on convincing people to cut down a bit.
My point was it is a choice and humans by their very nature are selfish.

 

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Sportyteacher Flag London 28 Aug 18 12.44am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

'Grip of alcohol'? Aren't we all with rock bottom Govt / Brexit disaster etc and subsequent impact upon us little people?

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Aug 18 1.27am Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

'Grip of alcohol'? Aren't we all with rock bottom Govt / Brexit disaster etc and subsequent impact upon us little people?

C'mon can't you at least enjoy your 8 week summer break you teachers get !!

 


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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 28 Aug 18 10.05am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

James o Brien had a nice show about alcohol.

I think many people feel that after a long days work them 2 beers or glasses of wine some how make it feel like you're getting more out of your limited time frame. In reality you're probably just adding fatigue to the body.

People's dependency of having a drink to wind down is a relatively dangerous rabbit.

 

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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 28 Aug 18 10.37am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

James o Brien had a nice show about alcohol.

I think many people feel that after a long days work them 2 beers or glasses of wine some how make it feel like you're getting more out of your limited time frame. In reality you're probably just adding fatigue to the body.

People's dependency of having a drink to wind down is a relatively dangerous rabbit.

After I've had a drink to wind down I see dangerous rabbits everywhere

 


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Sportyteacher Flag London 28 Aug 18 10.48am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

C'mon can't you at least enjoy your 8 week summer break you teachers get !!

I'll drink to that thought...hic!

 

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tinribzzz Flag BROMLEY 28 Aug 18 10.52am Send a Private Message to tinribzzz Add tinribzzz as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

After I've had a drink to wind down I see dangerous rabbits everywhere

Haha, come to mention it I think there were a few shrooms in the pint.

 

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Sportyteacher Flag London 28 Aug 18 10.53am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by tinribzzz

James o Brien had a nice show about alcohol.

I think many people feel that after a long days work them 2 beers or glasses of wine some how make it feel like you're getting more out of your limited time frame. In reality you're probably just adding fatigue to the body.

People's dependency of having a drink to wind down is a relatively dangerous rabbit.

Trying to think of the last time I came across a dangerous rabbit..ah yes: [Link]

 

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premier fan Flag BR4 28 Aug 18 3.02pm Send a Private Message to premier fan Add premier fan as a friend

I drink a couple of cans of beer each night but maybe have 1 day off a week. So probably 25-30 units I guess. I was seriously worried about my health but considered as I went fast swimming 3 x week on balance I shouldn't suffer to much.

watching last nights programme I was gobsmacked at how much he and other people seem to drink per week.

It now makes me think I'm doing ok. But I'll probably try and reduce my intake a bit more.

I'm also amazed at how some people come on here and say they can't stand AC. Why? he's just a regular guy who likes football, beer and socialising don't see where the hatred comes from. can only think of jealousy. I thought he came across as a decent bloke.

Edited by premier fan (28 Aug 2018 3.04pm)

Edited by premier fan (28 Aug 2018 3.04pm)

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Aug 18 3.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by premier fan

I drink a couple of cans of beer each night but maybe have 1 day off a week. So probably 25-30 units I guess. I was seriously worried about my health but considered as I went fast swimming 3 x week on balance I shouldn't suffer to much.

watching last nights programme I was gobsmacked at how much he and other people seem to drink per week.

It now makes me think I'm doing ok. But I'll probably try and reduce my intake a bit more.

I'm also amazed at how some people come on here and say they can't stand AC. Why? he's just a regular guy who likes football, beer and socialising don't see where the hatred comes from. can only think of jealousy. I thought he came across as a decent bloke.

Edited by premier fan (28 Aug 2018 3.04pm)

Edited by premier fan (28 Aug 2018 3.04pm)

What’s their unit intake and damage?

I’ll have to watch this on iplayer. I watched Bodyguard instead last night.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 28 Aug 18 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What’s their unit intake and damage?

I’ll have to watch this on iplayer. I watched Bodyguard instead last night.

He started on three figures a week of units

That's a lot for a 'casual drinker' IMO. Went down to around 50 and then down a bit more but nowhere near as low as the 14 units a week recommendation, i.e. 6 pints.

He did a really good job in the programme, which appears to have been his own initiative. Clearly shocked himself as to the level of intake and why he was even doing it.

Mitchell and Webb got it quite right.

[Link]

 

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Matov Flag 29 Aug 18 8.52am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Watched this last night.

And as somebody who has not had a drink in over 6 years, it invoked mixed emotions given how much of my previous behaviour I saw being played out on the screen with how much Chiles seemed to mirror my own experiences and attitudes along with the platitude of excuses to attempt to justify it horrifying me.

It also saddened/made me shout at the telly to see that ludicrous group, that claim to help to want people to stop or moderate their drinking, meeting in a pub. Of all the stupid notions I have seen around sobriety then the idea that you can knock the booze on the head by meeting up in a boozer is right up there at the very top of the moron tree.

All I wanted to do was shake him by the throat and telling him to knock it on the head. And I suspect that is what he craved somebody to do for him but I have to stress that is very much my take on it.

My own view on alcoholism is that is not a disease but more a condition that you are born with. Effectively an adverse reaction to alcohol which causes you to crave more once you have imbibed. There are clearly other issues involved but I suspect that is more about a general human malaise, and not confined to people who get ‘the taste’ once they are on the back of a couple of cheeky ones after work.

And that it is against this metabolic reaction that people should judge their behaviour, rather than assuming that just because you made it home to your own bed and have no intention of pouring a bottle of cooking vodka over your cornflakes that you don’t have a problem.

My own experience was that I never actually enjoyed one or two drinks. Made me feel even more ratty than I was already. If I was in a situation in which I had to limit my intake for a variety of reasons then I would not bother. Seemed pointless to me and still does. So I was a binge drinker and would, if I could, do it daily but with all the provisos that others claim means they are not alcoholics.

Then one morning, laying on the sofa with a hangover that would have killed a horse, and having to let people I loved down again (nothing dramatic but I had promised to take the kids swimming and simply could not function enough to do so) something snapped. Had a couple of drinks that evening, just to sort my head out, then the following day took myself off and spoke to some kindly people who seemed pleased to see me and told me a simple truth. I only needed to give up one single drink a day. The first one. Don’t pick that up and you are on the right path.

Now in and of itself, that does very little to deal with the rest of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that life throws at us but when you can wake up without a hangover, you are in with a chance although things do not get better overnight. The best definition of a chronic alcoholic I ever heard was that it was a person whose life got worse once they stopped drinking and that really hit home because once I put the bottle down, the s*** really did hit the fan for me in a variety of ways but I am out the other side now, and pleased for it.

Also, much like that boring ex-smoker, I know I can come across as OTT about the booze now and the reality is that once you do give up, then the dynamics of all areas of your life change and I cannot pretend that it is easy. It is not. But I am also convinced of two things.

The first is this. If you think you have a problem with the booze then you probably do.

The second is that there are no half-ways measures on this. No controlled drinking or self-imposed limits. You might get away with it for a while but it is a devious b****** and this idea of being in its ‘grip’ is a perfect one. You either drink or you do not. As binary, and bloody awful to face up to as that.


Edited by Matov (29 Aug 2018 8.59am)

Edited by Matov (29 Aug 2018 8.59am)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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