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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 04 May 18 12.58pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

My initial reaction is that the Tories will be more relieved this morning, whilst Labour must be gritting their teeth.

Yes, Labour ended up with more seats but must have expected to do much better but what matters more to them is the specifics of how they lost certain seats and failed to gain control of specific councils that they had poured a lot of resources into.

Corbyn now faces the reality that those from within his own party can continue to attack him from a variety of directions with both the antisemitism accusations along with not being able to regain the core white working class vote having even more of a validity.

In boxing terms, you might be able to claim the round as a draw but the Tories must harbour hopes that they have weathered the best Labour can throw, along with regaining some confidence that they can get back into the fight whilst Corbyn is looking over his shoulder at those in his own corner looking to stab him in the back and wondering if they might be more successful now.

Edited by Matov (04 May 2018 12.00pm)

Edited by Matov (04 May 2018 12.16pm)

A fair post. I still think the main thing to take away is turnout, which is hideously low for any election yet understandable and depressingly expected.

From a Labour perspective, we need to find new means of bypassing the oppressive negativity of the media and get people motivated and engaged, which ultimately will be the difference between us winning or losing.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 May 18 1.00pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

People need to stop getting so het up about the accusation of being called 'racist' because you believe a nation state should be able to decide who can or who cannot come and live in it.

Wear it as a badge of honour because it is now so devalued as a term that it is not worth even playing the game of reacting to it.

Clever but not the same thing.

A person who is against immigration is not necessarily racist, immigrants can come from anywhere.

It is in your make-up your personality if you are 'racist'.

'A badge of honour' being racist.

Yuk.

 

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Matov Flag 04 May 18 1.07pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Clever but not the same thing.

A person who is against immigration is not necessarily racist, immigrants can come from anywhere.

It is in your make-up your personality if you are 'racist'.

'A badge of honour' being racist.

Yuk.

All well and good, but the reality is that the label 'racist' is now so thoroughly discredited as to be almost pitiful.

A Racist is somebody who believes that a persons skin colour/national heritage is a predeterminer for specific behavioral traits and actions. Daft beyond belief although it has to be noted that there are biological differences between races, as evidenced by the inability for a lot of cross racial potential organ transplant options.

But in modern terms, many on the left throw the accusation at people whose arguments they cannot counter or deny. Its almost a default reaction to being proven wrong.

And to waste any energy in refuting such insults is now simply not worth the energy. Better to own the label as an acknowledgement that those who oppose you cannot counter your arguements and treat it with the disdain in deserves in almost 99% of cases.

Edited by Matov (04 May 2018 1.10pm)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 May 18 1.15pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

All well and good, but the reality is that the label 'racist' is now so thoroughly discredited as to be almost pitiful.

A Racist is somebody who believes that a persons skin colour/national heritage is a predeterminer for specific behavioral traits and actions. Daft beyond belief although it has to be noted that there are biological differences between races, as evidenced by the inability for a lot of cross racial potential organ transplant options.

But in modern terms, many on the left throw the accusation at people whose arguments they cannot counter or deny. Its almost a default reaction to being proven wrong.

And to waste any energy in refuting such insults is now simply not worth the energy. Better to own the label as an acknowledgement that those who oppose you cannot counter your arguements and treat it with the disdain in deserves in almost 99% of cases.

Edited by Matov (04 May 2018 1.10pm)

No definitely not.

There must be instances where people have been called racist wrongly, but it is not usual and you would be very offended if it happened to you.

No actual evidence for your opinion, 99% of cases, what cases you give no examples at all.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 04 May 18 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

A fair post. I still think the main thing to take away is turnout, which is hideously low for any election yet understandable and depressingly expected.

From a Labour perspective, we need to find new means of bypassing the oppressive negativity of the media and get people motivated and engaged, which ultimately will be the difference between us winning or losing.

I think on the whole Labour up until recently, have done that quite well via social media.

The problem now is the amount of abuse aimed at at centrists and those to the right of Corbyn, Red Tory being a favourite. Then you have the issue of calling Tories and anyone who voted for them scum. If you keep telling people to f*** off and vote Tory, they will f*** off, vote Tory? probably not, but they will f*** off. All this will naturally alienate people even if it isn't aimed directly at them.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 04 May 18 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Oh and while local elections tend to be about a lot more than national policy, given the bunch of absolute s***s that are currently in power, both the LibDems and Labour should be embarrassed that they didn't do better.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 May 18 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Clever but not the same thing.

A person who is against immigration is not necessarily racist, immigrants can come from anywhere.

It is in your make-up your personality if you are 'racist'.

'A badge of honour' being racist.

Yuk.


So if they are from Africa, you are automatically a racist but if they are from Australia you are not?

And there we have the deluded, simplistic logic of the Leftie.


 

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Stuk Flag Top half 04 May 18 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

All well and good, but the reality is that the label 'racist' is now so thoroughly discredited as to be almost pitiful.

A Racist is somebody who believes that a persons skin colour/national heritage is a predeterminer for specific behavioral traits and actions. Daft beyond belief although it has to be noted that there are biological differences between races, as evidenced by the inability for a lot of cross racial potential organ transplant options.

But in modern terms, many on the left throw the accusation at people whose arguments they cannot counter or deny. Its almost a default reaction to being proven wrong.

And to waste any energy in refuting such insults is now simply not worth the energy. Better to own the label as an acknowledgement that those who oppose you cannot counter your arguements and treat it with the disdain in deserves in almost 99% of cases.

Edited by Matov (04 May 2018 1.10pm)

The ANC labelled the IAAF's new rules on testosterone levels in female athletes "blatantly racist".

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It loses meaning if you keep shouting it incorrectly.

 


Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Flag Top half 04 May 18 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Oh and while local elections tend to be about a lot more than national policy, given the bunch of absolute s***s that are currently in power, both the LibDems and Labour should be embarrassed that they didn't do better.

Yep, pretty much a "meh" set of results.

I was surprised UKIP even held on the 3 councillors, last time I saw the current results. How s*** must the leader of Derby's council have been to lose his seat to one of them?

 


Optimistic as ever

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Stirlingsays Flag 04 May 18 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

The ANC labelled the IAAF's new rules on testosterone levels in female athletes "blatantly racist".

[Link]

It loses meaning if you keep shouting it incorrectly.

It's quite amusing to hear the ANC talk about 'racism' considering the comments that come from their members concerning killing white farmers.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 May 18 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's quite amusing to hear the ANC talk about 'racism' considering the comments that come from their members concerning killing white farmers.

My son's friend at school said his family left South Africa because of the danger to Whites that now prevails.
I expect that doesn't count as racism though because they are White devils.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 04 May 18 4.38pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

A fair post. I still think the main thing to take away is turnout, which is hideously low for any election yet understandable and depressingly expected.

From a Labour perspective, we need to find new means of bypassing the oppressive negativity of the media and get people motivated and engaged, which ultimately will be the difference between us winning or losing.

Understandably low turnout - who the hell is currently worth voting for? Tories seem intent on living up to the 'nasty party' tag, while making a pig's ear of brexit (to be fair, that's a poisoned chalice)

Labour making an equal pig's ear of the anti-Semitism thing ('we are Labour, we CAN'T be racist') while the left side of Momentum and the loud, shouty, Question Time rabble fling insults about (Sajid Javid copping abuse for being an 'uncle Tom' or 'coconut' for having the gall to be Asian, Muslim AND a Tory!)

They really are as bad as each other - positive politics is gone, it's all about saying how crap the other side are (if you're a Tory) or shouting down any opposing voices if you're Labour).

If there were a general election tomorrow, I genuinely don't know who I could bring myself to vote for, which would leave Lib Dems, or a local independent (we didn't have local elections down here, but if we did, I would've been voting on purely local issues)

 

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