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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 18 10.34pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Under 30% isn't it, who predictably implement their own agenda; compared with over 20% Palestians. As another point of information that State is actively supported by the USA not "the West". Not really sure what your first sentence means. On your second sentence, I'd disagree with you. While it's certainly true that the US is the most fervent supporter of Israel (in part due to the activist Jewish lobbies) it's certainly also true that Europe is pro Israel as well. The far left and the far right may be basically anti Israel. But the far left and right do not represent the majority by far. I won't say anti semitic, because while it exists significantly in both camps it isn't all of them and like most witch hunt terms, is over and too easily used.
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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 18 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
It's worth remembering what form 'democracy' took in Iraq. When Iraqis - and many well meaning western troops - attempted to stage elections and organise neutral bodies to oversee them, the outcomes were declared void by western forces, who instead implemented a puppet government that oversaw the transferral of state assets in to private hands. Obviously some of the biggest victors from that transferral - Halliburton and KBR for instance - had direct links with the British and American governments who had so hawkishly and clumsily warmongered in the first place. Stirling is right to say that oil wasn't a big motives, but it didn't need to be when 138 Bill worth of state assets were up for grabs...https://edition-m.cnn.com/2013/03/19/business/iraq-war-contractors/index.html I am not a non-interventionist. I believe passionately in good diplomacy which comes about through transparency and accountability. Military action should be a last resort, and done with a thorough plan. But what I see in the Syria debate now is no plan, no transparency, little understanding of the multiple groups and conflicts at play, and all it will end up with is more tragic and unnecessary bodies coming back home to angry families. I agree with you on these points, though perhaps not as much on your last one. I suppose if you are going to spend trillions on a war you are going to want a cut.....when it comes to military and administrative contracts the Bush administration ensured that it was first in line and that member countries involved also had a cut. When it's your troops that are dying that's going to happen. Initially the Iraqi government was a puppet....that was necessary but it isn't true to say they are puppets now. As for Syria.....I don't see any western countries committing regular troops in fighting capacities.....special forces no doubt but no mass deployments. I see air support similar to the Libya campaign.
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bozsufc SHEFFIELD 12 Apr 18 10.52pm | |
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Are the UK and all it's allie force's goin to let the assad regime drop chemical warheads on innocent people and their kids and let them get away with it. All out war has got to go ahead and stop all the assad atrosities, how in what way can the use of chemical warhead bombings be stopped in any way killing generation after generation. Instead of waiting to see what happens and carry on watching on the news, that so many more have been murdered in shocking and painful way's. Assad needs a bullet right between his eye's, the blood of many families is on his hands by his doing and others of the regime. Edited by bozsufc (12 Apr 2018 10.57pm)
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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 18 10.57pm | |
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Originally posted by bozsufc
Are the UK and all it's allie force's goin to let the assad regime drop chemical warheads on innocent people and their kids and let them get away with it. All out war has got to go ahead and stop all the assad atrosities, how in what way can the use of chemical warhead bombings be stopped in any way killing generation after generation. Instead of waiting to see what happens and carry watching on the news, that so many more have been murdered in shocking and painful way's. Assad needs a bullet right between his eye's, the blood of many families is on his hands by his doing and others of the regime. With Assad, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
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bozsufc SHEFFIELD 12 Apr 18 11.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
With Assad, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Don't you agree that assad and idiots can get away with it mate.?
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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 18 11.20pm | |
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Originally posted by bozsufc
Don't you agree that assad and idiots can get away with it mate.? Assad is an animal who preys on his own people. He's apart of a family dictatorship and is determined to continue it. For this result he's allowed himself to be a puppet of Iran and Russia to achieve those ends. However Assad isn't a Islamic fundamentalist and unfortunately.....after the west abandoned the early Syrian resistance the only large forces opposing Assad (excepting the Kurds who are secular Muslims) are IS extremists or similar groups....there are some lesser Muslim brotherhood type groups as well but basically they all want to rule with a form of Sharia. Also, unless we went full out war with all three Russia, Syria and Iran we have no way of deposing Assad. We could attempt to 'target' him but it's going to difficult and what comes after him? The best chance was early intervention when a large proportion of the Syrian army had rebelled and the extremists weren't at the fore front of the resistence. But the left voted that down in the House of Commons and Obama bottled it.....Obama made some of the worst foreign policy decisions of any president in living memory. So I think the best case is an Assad in the south and the Kurds in the north.....fcuk Turkey.....Turkey have been playing a duplicitous game.
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 18 1.19am | |
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Trump says on Twitter: 'Never said when an attack on Syria would take place. Could be very soon or not so soon at all! In any event, the United States, under my Administration, has done a great job of ridding the region of ISIS. Where is our “Thank you America?”.' Looks like Trump blinked.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 13 Apr 18 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by bozsufc
Are the UK and all it's allie force's goin to let the assad regime drop chemical warheads on innocent people and their kids and let them get away with it. All out war has got to go ahead and stop all the assad atrosities, how in what way can the use of chemical warhead bombings be stopped in any way killing generation after generation. Instead of waiting to see what happens and carry on watching on the news, that so many more have been murdered in shocking and painful way's. Assad needs a bullet right between his eye's, the blood of many families is on his hands by his doing and others of the regime. Edited by bozsufc (12 Apr 2018 10.57pm) So I assume we should also be intervening in Yemen where an engineered famine is threatening millions, and in which chemical weapons also seem to have been used by the Saudis? or maybe it's a bit too close to home given we just agreed another £2 billion arms deal with the house of saud, help train their combatants and just gave their king a royal welcome....just like we used to do for Assad!
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Pussay Patrol 13 Apr 18 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by bozsufc
Are the UK and all it's allie force's goin to let the assad regime drop chemical warheads on innocent people and their kids and let them get away with it. All out war has got to go ahead and stop all the assad atrosities, how in what way can the use of chemical warhead bombings be stopped in any way killing generation after generation. Instead of waiting to see what happens and carry on watching on the news, that so many more have been murdered in shocking and painful way's. Assad needs a bullet right between his eye's, the blood of many families is on his hands by his doing and others of the regime. Edited by bozsufc (12 Apr 2018 10.57pm) You don't seriously believe all that do you? Western propaganda, we're the good guys and everyone else around the world who we aren't friends with are mad despots who kill their own people (usually gas attacks - always the same method, funny that) Oh please.....
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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Apr 18 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
So I assume we should also be intervening in Yemen where an engineered famine is threatening millions, and in which chemical weapons also seem to have been used by the Saudis? or maybe it's a bit too close to home given we just agreed another £2 billion arms deal with the house of saud, help train their combatants and just gave their king a royal welcome....just like we used to do for Assad! 'Perfidious Albion' how the UK can do that, for what reason, to starving people in Yemen is beyond belief. And they are desperate to bomb Syria for the same thing, at least Syrians eat.
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corkery Cork City 13 Apr 18 5.02pm | |
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If the West does attack Syria then you can expect alot more people in the camps in Calais.
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 18 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by corkery
If the West does attack Syria then you can expect alot more people in the camps in Calais.
Oh please.
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