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The Dolphin 09 Apr 18 4.19pm
Like others my only complaint is his lack of using substitutes. Forget whether we need fresh legs or not - they are often used to slow a game down , break up play, run time down and so on. The most obvious case recently was against Man Utd - just a very few minutes left and we still had two subs. Send them on, take your time doing it, stop Man Utd for a bit. Instead he did nothing and they continued to pressure us and scored. I have no idea why he doesn't do it but I think he is making a serious mistake with this lack of tactic!
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09 Apr 18 4.19pm

Like others my only complaint is his lack of using substitutes.
Forget whether we need fresh legs or not - they are often used to slow a game down , break up play, run time down and so on.
The most obvious case recently was against Man Utd - just a very few minutes left and we still had two subs.
Send them on, take your time doing it, stop Man Utd for a bit.
Instead he did nothing and they continued to pressure us and scored.
I have no idea why he doesn't do it but I think he is making a serious mistake with this lack of tactic!

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Elpis In a pub 09 Apr 18 4.30pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Like others my only complaint is his lack of using substitutes. Forget whether we need fresh legs or not - they are often used to slow a game down , break up play, run time down and so on. The most obvious case recently was against Man Utd - just a very few minutes left and we still had two subs. Send them on, take your time doing it, stop Man Utd for a bit. Instead he did nothing and they continued to pressure us and scored. I have no idea why he doesn't do it but I think he is making a serious mistake with this lack of tactic! As I have posted though don't you think breaking up play could harm us more than the opposition ? You are not going to break up a side that is defending well for the sake of it and it is hard for late subs to get in the same mental zone as a player that has been doing his job for 90 mins . We were actually very unfortunate to let in the late goal against Utd .
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In a pub 09 Apr 18 4.30pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

As I have posted though don't you think breaking up play could harm us more than the opposition ? You are not going to break up a side that is defending well for the sake of it and it is hard for late subs to get in the same mental zone as a player that has been doing his job for 90 mins . We were actually very unfortunate to let in the late goal against Utd .

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southnorwoodhill 10 Apr 18 6.17am
Originally posted by Elpis it and it is hard for late subs to get in the same mental zone as a player that has been doing his job for 90 mins Given our continuous ability to let in late goals, the "mental zone" you speak of is by that time in the game quite fatigued, hence the need for subs. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 6.29am)
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Originally posted by Elpis

it and it is hard for late subs to get in the same mental zone as a player that has been doing his job for 90 mins

Given our continuous ability to let in late goals, the "mental zone" you speak of is by that time in the game quite fatigued, hence the need for subs.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 6.29am)

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 10 Apr 18 11.55am
Are you at it again Willo? Preacher of doom! Is your desire to not be wrong so big that you need to keep stating it? Originally posted by Willo Just thinking about the Tottenham and Bournemouth games, both goals conceded at the back post at corners. The number of points we have thrown away in the dying embers either conceding or not converting from the penalty spot.We will all be reflecting on this when we are relegated which I firmly believe will be our fate. Edited by Willo (08 Apr 2018 11.52am)
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Are you at it again Willo? Preacher of doom! Is your desire to not be wrong so big that you need to keep stating it?

Originally posted by Willo

Just thinking about the Tottenham and Bournemouth games, both goals conceded at the back post at corners.

The number of points we have thrown away in the dying embers either conceding or not converting from the penalty spot.We will all be reflecting on this when we are relegated which I firmly believe will be our fate.

Edited by Willo (08 Apr 2018 11.52am)

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Elpis In a pub 10 Apr 18 6.20pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Given our continuous ability to let in late goals, the "mental zone" you speak of is by that time in the game quite fatigued, hence the need for subs. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 6.29am) Its a possibility if your getting the run around but Ive seen no evidence that that has been the case . Spurs winner was down to the late sub ,Damo , not as I have said getting with it and the Man U winner an effort from range , hardly signs of fatigue . We havnt exactly been chasing games of late which if were the case would agree that subs are needed . Being down the wrong end of the table maybe makes us fall too deep towards the end of games .That is in my view our problem ,not making substitutions
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Elpis

In a pub 10 Apr 18 6.20pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Given our continuous ability to let in late goals, the "mental zone" you speak of is by that time in the game quite fatigued, hence the need for subs.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 6.29am)

Its a possibility if your getting the run around but Ive seen no evidence that that has been the case . Spurs winner was down to the late sub ,Damo , not as I have said getting with it and the Man U winner an effort from range , hardly signs of fatigue .
We havnt exactly been chasing games of late which if were the case would agree that subs are needed .

Being down the wrong end of the table maybe makes us fall too deep towards the end of games .That is in my view our problem ,not making substitutions

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southnorwoodhill 10 Apr 18 9.17pm
Originally posted by Elpis Its a possibility if your getting the run around but Ive seen no evidence that that has been the case . Spurs winner was down to the late sub ,Damo , not as I have said getting with it and the Man U winner an effort from range , hardly signs of fatigue . We havnt exactly been chasing games of late which if were the case would agree that subs are needed . Being down the wrong end of the table maybe makes us fall too deep towards the end of games .That is in my view our problem ,not making substitutions We fall deep because we are done, physically and mentally. Still, top coaches across the world of football must be mistaken when protecting a lead to make timely late substitutions don't you think? Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 9.18pm)
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10 Apr 18 9.17pm

Originally posted by Elpis

Being down the wrong end of the table maybe makes us fall too deep towards the end of games .That is in my view our problem ,not making substitutions

We fall deep because we are done, physically and mentally. Still, top coaches across the world of football must be mistaken when protecting a lead to make timely late substitutions don't you think?

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Apr 2018 9.18pm)

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MikeCrete Crete 10 Apr 18 9.26pm
Originally posted by Willo Hodgson is a vastly experienced and capable manager and it is perhaps presumptious to assume that he can take lessons from those who are not steeped in his knowledge of the game. I believe that when you are leading in the last 15 mins perhaps there is a tendency to 'Let sleeping dogs lie' unless of course certain players are visibly flagging. Hodgson will have had good reasons not to have brought on the players listed - he did bring on a player against Tottenham and he was culpable in relation to the late goal they scored at a corner so substitutes don't always work ! Edited by Willo (09 Apr 2018 10.09am) The late sub was Delaney: Tompkins was injured & Hennessey missed the catch, like the one before. We should have changed players in several games late on, sometimes just to disrupt the play, sometimes to change then pattern of plat from us. We have young players good enough to be given a go at least, which was our tradition & one Imam sorry to see going: my only issue with Roy is the subs/youngsters.
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Crete 10 Apr 18 9.26pm

Originally posted by Willo

Hodgson is a vastly experienced and capable manager and it is perhaps presumptious to assume that he can take lessons from those who are not steeped in his knowledge of the game.

I believe that when you are leading in the last 15 mins perhaps there is a tendency to 'Let sleeping dogs lie' unless of course certain players are visibly flagging.

Hodgson will have had good reasons not to have brought on the players listed - he did bring on a player against Tottenham and he was culpable in relation to the late goal they scored at a corner so substitutes don't always work !

Edited by Willo (09 Apr 2018 10.09am)

The late sub was Delaney: Tompkins was injured & Hennessey missed the catch, like the one before. We should have changed players in several games late on, sometimes just to disrupt the play, sometimes to change then pattern of plat from us. We have young players good enough to be given a go at least, which was our tradition & one Imam sorry to see going: my only issue with Roy is the subs/youngsters.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 10.47am
I see that Barcelona's manager Valverde has been severely rebuked for not making any substitutions until the 80th minute against Roma last night, including comments that it looks as though he doesn't trust his bench.His inaction last night has not been well received. Sounds familiar ! Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 10.49am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 18 10.47am

I see that Barcelona's manager Valverde has been severely rebuked for not making any substitutions until the 80th minute against Roma last night, including comments that it looks as though he doesn't trust his bench.His inaction last night has not been well received.
Sounds familiar !

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 10.49am)

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Kieranemm Towcester 11 Apr 18 11.08am
Originally posted by Willo I see that Barcelona's manager Valverde has been severely rebuked for not making any substitutions until the 80th minute against Roma last night, including comments that it looks as though he doesn't trust his bench.His inaction last night has not been well received. Sounds familiar ! Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 10.49am) Maybe it is a red and blue thing not to use the subs bench then!
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Kieranemm

Towcester 11 Apr 18 11.08am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (11 Apr 2018 10.49am)

Maybe it is a red and blue thing not to use the subs bench then!

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Aray South London 11 Apr 18 3.40pm
Originally posted by Willo Hodgson is a vastly experienced and capable manager and it is perhaps presumptious to assume that he can take lessons from those who are not steeped in his knowledge of the game. I believe that when you are leading in the last 15 mins perhaps there is a tendency to 'Let sleeping dogs lie' unless of course certain players are visibly flagging. Hodgson will have had good reasons not to have brought on the players listed - he did bring on a player against Tottenham and he was culpable in relation to the late goal they scored at a corner so substitutes don't always work ! Edited by Willo (09 Apr 2018 10.09am) As you know. that was an unforced substitution. not what we are talking about.
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Aray

South London 11 Apr 18 3.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

Hodgson is a vastly experienced and capable manager and it is perhaps presumptious to assume that he can take lessons from those who are not steeped in his knowledge of the game.

I believe that when you are leading in the last 15 mins perhaps there is a tendency to 'Let sleeping dogs lie' unless of course certain players are visibly flagging.

Hodgson will have had good reasons not to have brought on the players listed - he did bring on a player against Tottenham and he was culpable in relation to the late goal they scored at a corner so substitutes don't always work !

Edited by Willo (09 Apr 2018 10.09am)

As you know. that was an unforced substitution. not what we are talking about.

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A1969Eagle Redhill 11 Apr 18 3.47pm
YES, CANT UNDERSTAND IF THEY NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ON THE BENCH DONT FILL IT WITH PLAYERS THAT WONT PLAY!!! Originally posted by Kieranemm I know we have a ton of injuries, but does anyone else think not using fresh legs from the bench in the past couple of weeks is part of the reason we are not seeing games out? Late goals against Tottenham, Man Utd, Liverpool and Bournemouth I really hope doesn’t cost us come end of the season. Need to just get through this nightmare season, and have a serious investment in squad depth over the summer!
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A1969Eagle

Redhill 11 Apr 18 3.47pm

YES, CANT UNDERSTAND IF THEY NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ON THE BENCH DONT FILL IT WITH PLAYERS THAT WONT PLAY!!!

Originally posted by Kieranemm

I know we have a ton of injuries, but does anyone else think not using fresh legs from the bench in the past couple of weeks is part of the reason we are not seeing games out?

Late goals against Tottenham, Man Utd, Liverpool and Bournemouth I really hope doesn’t cost us come end of the season.

Need to just get through this nightmare season, and have a serious investment in squad depth over the summer!

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Kentbaldeagle64 Swanscombe 11 Apr 18 3.49pm
Roy needs To to use subs earlier to get them into the game, Do they train for full matches that last 110 minutes ? then they won’t get to 85 mins and think sit tight for five and the game will finish. Good to see Daly on the bench but why not use him. Annoying when we don’t have enough fit players then the bench is left sitting there twiddling their thumbs whilst players tire and struggle and concede silly goals. AWB looked knackered at the end of the last game. Cabyaye can’t do 90 mins and Wilf and Jimmy Mac and PVA and Luka and Andros run around like mad making up for others. Just frustrated when we see this happening week in week out when we can’t finish games off.
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Roy needs To to use subs earlier to get them into the game,

Do they train for full matches that last 110 minutes
? then they won’t get to 85 mins and think sit tight for five and the game will finish.

Good to see Daly on the bench but why not use him. Annoying when we don’t have enough fit players then the bench is left sitting there twiddling their thumbs whilst players tire and struggle and concede silly goals.

AWB looked knackered at the end of the last game. Cabyaye can’t do 90 mins and Wilf and Jimmy Mac and PVA and Luka and Andros run around like mad making up for others.

Just frustrated when we see this happening week in week out when we can’t finish games off.

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