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Dannyh.V2 Stone lickers 27 Mar 18 1.47pm | |
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Corbyn's a c***. A known terrorist sympathiser pictured skipping down the road, hand in hand with with Adams and that other s***cnut McGuiness. Adams is nothing other than a terrorist and should be in jail. I'm no fan of TM but to compare Adams to TM is plain idiotic Bias. Edited by Dannyh.V2 (27 Mar 2018 1.47pm)
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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 27 Mar 18 5.06pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
I don't blame you for not voting ! Voting only encourages them!
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 28 Mar 18 12.43pm | |
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Originally posted by topcat
Voting only encourages them! Indeed!
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Cannonball High in the Ozarks. 28 Mar 18 9.52pm | |
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There should be a Gerry Adams celebration day-the day someone puts a bullet in his head.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 28 Mar 18 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by dingdong
hurt o both sides
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corkery Cork City 28 Mar 18 10.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Cannonball
There should be a Gerry Adams celebration day-the day someone puts a bullet in his head. They tried that enough during the apartheid days in Northern Ireland.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 29 Mar 18 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think calling the DUP terrorists is silly. However I do share some of your annoyance with May....though perhaps not for the same reasons. I certainly won't be voting for May.....she can get all those feminists to vote for her....as she calls herself one. How things stand this will be the first time I don't vote in a general election. The DUP has a long history of links with the UVF (classed as a terrorist organisation by the UK), the UDA and Ulster Resistance. Just last year a DUP councillor posted a mocked up picture of the UVF's flag outside 10 Downing Street in celebration of the DUP's grubby deal with TM following the GE. They are just as much "terrorist" or "terrorist sympathisers" as Sinn Fein, who are officially the political arm of the Republican Movement, the IRA being the military arm. The DUP and other unionist parties share a similar relationship with the UVF etc, with plenty of overlap historically in membership. It just seems that people in England tend to see the DUP as more acceptable as they are unionists. It's important not to forget that loyalists murdered people and set off bombs in much the same way as the IRA did, but they didn't do it in England so people tend to, rightly or wrongly, view the IRA as the greater evil. Gerry Adams' biggest error politically was denying his membership in the IRA/PIRA. He was in the room when the decision was made to establish the PIRA and is on record as having mentioned his membership many years ago. I think if he'd been more honest he would have stood a better chance of achieving more of his political ambitions, not least being in with a chance of become President of Ireland. Ian Paisley, while not a member, actively encouraged people to join the UVF and UDA, and was instrumental in the acts of violence in 1969 against civil rights campaigners that lead to the start of the "Troubles". He was also instrumental in the Unionist Strikes that ended the ceasefire in the 70s and blocked every attempt at bring the IRA to the table and to create a power sharing executive in NI right up until the GFA and for some time afterwards. Gerry Adams at least had been attempting to negotiate a peace since the late 80s. I think it's unfair to dismiss Gerry Adams simply as a terrorist without acknowledging his role in creating peace and without recognising the acts of the Unionists at the time. TM has made a grave error in setting up the grubby deal with the DUP and her lack of apparent understanding of the border issue RE Brexit. The history of Brits meddling in Ireland is not a happy one and has never ended well, always ending with violence. Maastricht and membership of the EU had an important role in enabling the peace process as the IRA would probably never have agreed to a ceasefire with the continued presence of borders which would inevitably have been controlled by unionists as nationalists would refuse to take part in such controls. A return to any kind of border will be difficult, and you can bet Gerry Adams will be pulling the strings even in his retirement to whip up the nationalist community to rail against anything that they would view as a backward step in terms of Irish unification. Comments from people like Boris comparing the Irish border with London Boroughs and US/Canada is idiotic and plays into the hands of people on both sides who still are unhappy with the peace process.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Mar 18 11.49am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The DUP has a long history of links with the UVF (classed as a terrorist organisation by the UK), the UDA and Ulster Resistance. Just last year a DUP councillor posted a mocked up picture of the UVF's flag outside 10 Downing Street in celebration of the DUP's grubby deal with TM following the GE. They are just as much "terrorist" or "terrorist sympathisers" as Sinn Fein, who are officially the political arm of the Republican Movement, the IRA being the military arm. The DUP and other unionist parties share a similar relationship with the UVF etc, with plenty of overlap historically in membership. It just seems that people in England tend to see the DUP as more acceptable as they are unionists. It's important not to forget that loyalists murdered people and set off bombs in much the same way as the IRA did, but they didn't do it in England so people tend to, rightly or wrongly, view the IRA as the greater evil. Gerry Adams' biggest error politically was denying his membership in the IRA/PIRA. He was in the room when the decision was made to establish the PIRA and is on record as having mentioned his membership many years ago. I think if he'd been more honest he would have stood a better chance of achieving more of his political ambitions, not least being in with a chance of become President of Ireland. Ian Paisley, while not a member, actively encouraged people to join the UVF and UDA, and was instrumental in the acts of violence in 1969 against civil rights campaigners that lead to the start of the "Troubles". He was also instrumental in the Unionist Strikes that ended the ceasefire in the 70s and blocked every attempt at bring the IRA to the table and to create a power sharing executive in NI right up until the GFA and for some time afterwards. Gerry Adams at least had been attempting to negotiate a peace since the late 80s. I think it's unfair to dismiss Gerry Adams simply as a terrorist without acknowledging his role in creating peace and without recognising the acts of the Unionists at the time. TM has made a grave error in setting up the grubby deal with the DUP and her lack of apparent understanding of the border issue RE Brexit. The history of Brits meddling in Ireland is not a happy one and has never ended well, always ending with violence. Maastricht and membership of the EU had an important role in enabling the peace process as the IRA would probably never have agreed to a ceasefire with the continued presence of borders which would inevitably have been controlled by unionists as nationalists would refuse to take part in such controls. A return to any kind of border will be difficult, and you can bet Gerry Adams will be pulling the strings even in his retirement to whip up the nationalist community to rail against anything that they would view as a backward step in terms of Irish unification. Comments from people like Boris comparing the Irish border with London Boroughs and US/Canada is idiotic and plays into the hands of people on both sides who still are unhappy with the peace process. You sound very pleased about that. This all sounds like whataboutery to me and of course your obsession with finding any reason to condemn Brexit.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 29 Mar 18 12.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You sound very pleased about that. This all sounds like whataboutery to me and of course your obsession with finding any reason to condemn Brexit. No not really. I'm just pointing out that republicans are unlikely to be pleased with any steps in the "wrong direction" and history tells us that backward steps can have dire consequences when it comes to Ireland. I hope that any railing is done in a peaceful manner, but there are still people in Ireland who would be willing to attack any kind of border infrastructure or personnel. I would be slightly concerned that without Gerry Adams there would be people in the Republican movement who would be able to exert more influence towards violence once again. Hopefully we aren't stupid enough to give them an excuse. I happen to think that Brexit should be secondary to ensuring the preservation of peace in Ireland and we'll just have to suck up the medicine and leave NI effectively within the EU, and given the DUP holding the balance of power in Westminster the rest of the UK will have to effectively stay in as well but without any say. A proper bodge job.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Mar 18 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The DUP has a long history of links with the UVF (classed as a terrorist organisation by the UK), the UDA and Ulster Resistance. Just last year a DUP councillor posted a mocked up picture of the UVF's flag outside 10 Downing Street in celebration of the DUP's grubby deal with TM following the GE. They are just as much "terrorist" or "terrorist sympathisers" as Sinn Fein, who are officially the political arm of the Republican Movement, the IRA being the military arm. The DUP and other unionist parties share a similar relationship with the UVF etc, with plenty of overlap historically in membership. It just seems that people in England tend to see the DUP as more acceptable as they are unionists. It's important not to forget that loyalists murdered people and set off bombs in much the same way as the IRA did, but they didn't do it in England so people tend to, rightly or wrongly, view the IRA as the greater evil. Gerry Adams' biggest error politically was denying his membership in the IRA/PIRA. He was in the room when the decision was made to establish the PIRA and is on record as having mentioned his membership many years ago. I think if he'd been more honest he would have stood a better chance of achieving more of his political ambitions, not least being in with a chance of become President of Ireland. Ian Paisley, while not a member, actively encouraged people to join the UVF and UDA, and was instrumental in the acts of violence in 1969 against civil rights campaigners that lead to the start of the "Troubles". He was also instrumental in the Unionist Strikes that ended the ceasefire in the 70s and blocked every attempt at bring the IRA to the table and to create a power sharing executive in NI right up until the GFA and for some time afterwards. Gerry Adams at least had been attempting to negotiate a peace since the late 80s. I think it's unfair to dismiss Gerry Adams simply as a terrorist without acknowledging his role in creating peace and without recognising the acts of the Unionists at the time. TM has made a grave error in setting up the grubby deal with the DUP and her lack of apparent understanding of the border issue RE Brexit. The history of Brits meddling in Ireland is not a happy one and has never ended well, always ending with violence. Maastricht and membership of the EU had an important role in enabling the peace process as the IRA would probably never have agreed to a ceasefire with the continued presence of borders which would inevitably have been controlled by unionists as nationalists would refuse to take part in such controls. A return to any kind of border will be difficult, and you can bet Gerry Adams will be pulling the strings even in his retirement to whip up the nationalist community to rail against anything that they would view as a backward step in terms of Irish unification. Comments from people like Boris comparing the Irish border with London Boroughs and US/Canada is idiotic and plays into the hands of people on both sides who still are unhappy with the peace process. Indeed, and lets not forget it was the loyalists/unionists that caused the biggest single loss of life in dublin in 1974 with the dublin and monaghan bombings, killing 34, mainly young women and an unborn child !
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Mar 18 12.52pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
No not really. I'm just pointing out that republicans are unlikely to be pleased with any steps in the "wrong direction" and history tells us that backward steps can have dire consequences when it comes to Ireland. I hope that any railing is done in a peaceful manner, but there are still people in Ireland who would be willing to attack any kind of border infrastructure or personnel. I would be slightly concerned that without Gerry Adams there would be people in the Republican movement who would be able to exert more influence towards violence once again. Hopefully we aren't stupid enough to give them an excuse. I happen to think that Brexit should be secondary to ensuring the preservation of peace in Ireland and we'll just have to suck up the medicine and leave NI effectively within the EU, and given the DUP holding the balance of power in Westminster the rest of the UK will have to effectively stay in as well but without any say. A proper bodge job. The damage was done in Ireland many years ago. Northern Ireland should never have been created. One day Ireland will reunite but right now, the Protestants have a big say. It's not this generations fault that history has created this situation. The border issues will have to dealt with using good sense and sensivity or, as you say, it will give the extremists an excuse to kick off.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Mar 18 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Indeed, and lets not forget it was the loyalists/unionists that caused the biggest single loss of life in dublin in 1974 with the dublin and monaghan bombings, killing 34, mainly young women and an unborn child ! Let's not forget that it was this kind of 'they killed more than us' bollocks that kept the troubles going so long.
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