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cryrst The garden of England 21 Feb 18 12.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
What can we do? I'm in favor of arresting and sentencing those carrying knives on the street. But nothing stops someone grabbing a knife at home and stabbing someone shortly after. Not that common the home knife scenario.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Feb 18 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Not that common the home knife scenario. What does this actually mean?
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Hrolf The Ganger 21 Feb 18 1.59pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Prison is not a deterrent nor is it a means of rehabilitation. The root issue is high levels of inequality, lack of social investment (education) and community investment and severe cuts to policing. What inequality? You think that inequality is limited to people of a particular colour of skin? Bulls***.
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Lyons550 Shirley 21 Feb 18 2.07pm | |
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Originally posted by simonmdt
A little perspective. 15-24 year olds represent about 10% of the population of London, so 880k. That roughly works out at odds of 110,000/1 of being stabbed to death. Why would anyone move out of London because of odds like that? Especially as road accidents are a significantly bigger killer of this age group. And fatal accidents are more likely to happen outside of cities. So, anyone moving out of London to the country for the safety of their children are actually putting their children in greater risk. Narrow those stats down to Croydon or Lewisham and you watch them fall sharply. Only Monday saw a clip of a fight in a Kebab shop in Surrey Street with one of the guys wielding a foot long knife ...as school kids were walking past!!
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Stuk Top half 21 Feb 18 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Narrow those stats down to Croydon or Lewisham and you watch them fall sharply. Only Monday saw a clip of a fight in a Kebab shop in Surrey Street with one of the guys wielding a foot long knife ...as school kids were walking past!! 4 in one day yesterday in Camden, 2 of which were fatal and one of those two fatalities had a brother killed in September.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 21 Feb 18 3.35pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Prison is not a deterrent nor is it a means of rehabilitation. The root issue is high levels of inequality, lack of social investment (education) and community investment and severe cuts to policing. To say that the root of the problem is inequality is simply not true. I grew up in a council flat on a Saf London estate to a single mum however I never carried a knife. Did lots of other stuff but never carried a knife. Through sheer bloody hard work and a will to better myself I now own a property development company and have kids at private schools. Knives are predominately (not exclusively though) a problem in the black population. You cannot say this is due to inequality as plenty of other races have also settled here over the years who would have faced the same challenges and yet who have not attopted the knife culture. I would say that the reverse is probably true in your statement. It's more likely it's the knives/drugs/crime etc which is often keeping the black population at the bottom. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (21 Feb 2018 3.37pm)
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cryrst The garden of England 22 Feb 18 12.09am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What does this actually mean? Really ! I mean really, you have to ask.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Feb 18 8.15am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Really ! I mean really, you have to ask. So you were talking about stop and search, not 'when someone gets arrested for carrying' as you said in your earliest post - so yes, I really had to ask. On the stop and search; whilst it was clearly flawed in it's enforcement, it's a necessary inconvenience as far as I'm concerned - I was subjected to it a few times as a teenager, and whilst I understand the frustrations it can cause, ultimately, if it means less people are carrying knives and less people are getting stabbed, it's a frustration worth suffering IMO. Interestingly, there is a musician from Norbury called 'Dave' who took to Twitter on this point; basically summarised that as a young black guy in south London he had stopped and searched countless times, but if it meant less young black kids dying, he was more than happy to put up with it.
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sxp55 South Norwood 22 Feb 18 9.23am | |
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its all gang related. let them crack on.
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Matov 22 Feb 18 9.52am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
That is the difference between the knife problems in Glasgow and London. Essentially it is young men from the self-same socioeconomic backgrounds sticking knives into each other for ludicrous reasons. But in Glasgow because the young men are poor and white, there is absolutely no political capital to be gained from either side. Hence why it can be resolved. But in London, because it is predominantly poor and black, then there are a massive amount of political capital involved. And what is happening is absolutely pure and destructive racism in its most deadly form. If it were white boys killing each other at the rates we are seeing now, then drastic action would be taken. But because it is black boys, then people would rather them die than run the risk of seeing their own careers go down. We live in a world in which the accusation 'racist' gets bandied about for the most ludicrous reasons and yet here we have a situation in which the only explanation for the lack of action is down to skin colour. White boys lives in Glasgow are deemed for more important than those of black boys in London. Now I am hardly going to win any awards for my progressive and tolerant views but I know what right and wrong is and this situation in London is now beyond a joke.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Feb 18 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
That is the difference between the knife problems in Glasgow and London. Essentially it is young men from the self-same socioeconomic backgrounds sticking knives into each other for ludicrous reasons. But in Glasgow because the young men are poor and white, there is absolutely no political capital to be gained from either side. Hence why it can be resolved. But in London, because it is predominantly poor and black, then there are a massive amount of political capital involved. And what is happening is absolutely pure and destructive racism in its most deadly form. If it were white boys killing each other at the rates we are seeing now, then drastic action would be taken. But because it is black boys, then people would rather them die than run the risk of seeing their own careers go down. We live in a world in which the accusation 'racist' gets bandied about for the most ludicrous reasons and yet here we have a situation in which the only explanation for the lack of action is down to skin colour. White boys lives in Glasgow are deemed for more important than those of black boys in London. Now I am hardly going to win any awards for my progressive and tolerant views but I know what right and wrong is and this situation in London is now beyond a joke. They may not have political power, but don't underestimate the influence of positive role models - this is a cultural problem as much as a political one, so to have popular figures from within the culture speak out about it will make a huge difference.
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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Feb 18 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
That is the difference between the knife problems in Glasgow and London. Essentially it is young men from the self-same socioeconomic backgrounds sticking knives into each other for ludicrous reasons. But in Glasgow because the young men are poor and white, there is absolutely no political capital to be gained from either side. Hence why it can be resolved. But in London, because it is predominantly poor and black, then there are a massive amount of political capital involved. And what is happening is absolutely pure and destructive racism in its most deadly form. If it were white boys killing each other at the rates we are seeing now, then drastic action would be taken. But because it is black boys, then people would rather them die than run the risk of seeing their own careers go down. We live in a world in which the accusation 'racist' gets bandied about for the most ludicrous reasons and yet here we have a situation in which the only explanation for the lack of action is down to skin colour. White boys lives in Glasgow are deemed for more important than those of black boys in London. Now I am hardly going to win any awards for my progressive and tolerant views but I know what right and wrong is and this situation in London is now beyond a joke.
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