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Being Able To Watch All Palace Games Via Streams
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Tipp_Eagle  Tipperary 05 Jan 18 8.39am |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
So how does that work? i just go to front row sports click on the match you want to watch then it gives you a choice of links , close down all the adds then plug lap top into my 55 in and bobs your uncle. its about 1 min behind ,
oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton. |
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 Jonnyg121  Tunbridge Wells 05 Jan 18 9.32am |
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The only way streaming every game in the UK becomes a reality is if the PL and it's clubs re-think the costs and model behind distributing the TV rights, which I can't see happening any time soon. Sky Sports show circa 126 PL games per season. Sky paid £4.2 billion for three seasons worth of football (I think, 2016/2017, 2017/2018, 2018/2019) If you work out Sky's cost per season, that would be £1.4 billion, and approximately £11 million per game. 33% of PL games are currently shown on Sky Sports, and 10% are shown on BT. Let's say each provider double the amount of games they show, which would see 86% of PL games shown on either BT or Sky. This would cost Sky £2.8 billion per season, and £8.4 billion over the three seasons. There's no way Sky will take such a huge hit on it's profits and keep the price the same, and there is simply not a big enough reach for advertisers to sign big deals with SKY/BT, especially for games such like Brighton vs Burnley, or Brighton vs Huddersfield and so forth. The new TV deal in 2016 saw a huge inflation in the price of players, a much bigger deal which see's Sky and BT pay for more games would inflate the cost of players even more. Don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to watch every PL game like the rest of the world, but I wouldn't want to pay more for SKY and BT, and I already think there is enough money in football. I'd love however for pubs in a certain radius of a football club to be able to legally stream it's local PL teams games, this wouldn't have a huge impact on attendances and may provide fans with more incentive to follow their local club, or perhaps introduce more beambacks like Brighton vs Crystal Palace in November. Edited by Jonnyg121 (05 Jan 2018 9.35am)
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| Jonnyg121 Tunbridge Wells 05 Jan 18 9.33am |
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. Edited by Jonnyg121 (05 Jan 2018 9.34am)
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| mrpflannery London 05 Jan 18 9.42am |
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As much as I also want to have access to every minute of every game no matter where I am we are looking at this from the lofty levels of the Premier League. Its all very well and good saying how much money there is in the tv revenue and how well attended most of the games are, but this is purely from a premier league perspective. In the lower leagues, as we know from years in the championship, this is not the case. If the FA allow access to every minute of premier league football here in the UK it will have a detrimental impact on attendances and revenues in the lower leagues, which no real football fan wants. Our country is very unique in that even 3rd or 4th tier matches can have attendances of circa 10k on occasion. It's scary to see how quickly our fan base can forget this.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jan 18 10.21am |
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Originally posted by Jonnyg121
The only way streaming every game in the UK becomes a reality is if the PL and it's clubs re-think the costs and model behind distributing the TV rights, which I can't see happening any time soon. Sky Sports show circa 126 PL games per season. Sky paid £4.2 billion for three seasons worth of football (I think, 2016/2017, 2017/2018, 2018/2019) If you work out Sky's cost per season, that would be £1.4 billion, and approximately £11 million per game. 33% of PL games are currently shown on Sky Sports, and 10% are shown on BT. Let's say each provider double the amount of games they show, which would see 86% of PL games shown on either BT or Sky. This would cost Sky £2.8 billion per season, and £8.4 billion over the three seasons. There's no way Sky will take such a huge hit on it's profits and keep the price the same, and there is simply not a big enough reach for advertisers to sign big deals with SKY/BT, especially for games such like Brighton vs Burnley, or Brighton vs Huddersfield and so forth. The new TV deal in 2016 saw a huge inflation in the price of players, a much bigger deal which see's Sky and BT pay for more games would inflate the cost of players even more. Don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to watch every PL game like the rest of the world, but I wouldn't want to pay more for SKY and BT, and I already think there is enough money in football. I'd love however for pubs in a certain radius of a football club to be able to legally stream it's local PL teams games, this wouldn't have a huge impact on attendances and may provide fans with more incentive to follow their local club, or perhaps introduce more beambacks like Brighton vs Crystal Palace in November. Edited by Jonnyg121 (05 Jan 2018 9.35am) It wouldnt though...ALL the games are covered already...how else would there be streams of EVERY game getting out there. This is done by both BT and SKY, the only difference being when they show them live on their channels they also have a studio. But I'm not suggesting they have a studio, just open up the streams that ALREADY exist and are picked up around the world by other broadcasters such as NBC, BEIN etc and make them available to fans here. The extra costs involved are minimal.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jan 18 10.26am |
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Originally posted by mrpflannery
As much as I also want to have access to every minute of every game no matter where I am we are looking at this from the lofty levels of the Premier League. Its all very well and good saying how much money there is in the tv revenue and how well attended most of the games are, but this is purely from a premier league perspective. In the lower leagues, as we know from years in the championship, this is not the case. If the FA allow access to every minute of premier league football here in the UK it will have a detrimental impact on attendances and revenues in the lower leagues, which no real football fan wants. Our country is very unique in that even 3rd or 4th tier matches can have attendances of circa 10k on occasion. It's scary to see how quickly our fan base can forget this.
It's a myth in a world that doesn't like or accept change. You're right in that football fans are 'fickle'.
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| Jonnyg121 Tunbridge Wells 05 Jan 18 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
It wouldnt though...ALL the games are covered already...how else would there be streams of EVERY game getting out there. This is done by both BT and SKY, the only difference being when they show them live on their channels they also have a studio. But I'm not suggesting they have a studio, just open up the streams that ALREADY exist and are picked up around the world by other broadcasters such as NBC, BEIN etc and make them available to fans here. The extra costs involved are minimal. Not sure you're correct there. There are various packages which both BT and Sky bid for, which is why they pay different amounts of money. BBC also bid on the highlights package, which ITV won once many years ago. If current tv rights for BT and Sky allowed them to show as many games as they want, they would do it, but each provider is limited to a certain number of games, which dicates the cost of each package available. It may not be as simple as I describe above, but it would definitely cost sky and bt more money if they wanted to show more live games, which in return would cost the viewers more money
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| Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jan 18 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Jonnyg121
Not sure you're correct there. There are various packages which both BT and Sky bid for, which is why they pay different amounts of money. BBC also bid on the highlights package, which ITV won once many years ago. If current tv rights for BT and Sky allowed them to show as many games as they want, they would do it, but each provider is limited to a certain number of games, which dicates the cost of each package available. It may not be as simple as I describe above, but it would definitely cost sky and bt more money if they wanted to show more live games, which in return would cost the viewers more money You're right, which is why i suggested in my original post that a seperate 'package' allowing for the streaming of games should be offered when the next rights come up. Both BT and Sky use a 3rd part OB unit anyway. Whatever the semantics though it could be done...as to whether there's an appetite for doing so is another matter
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| Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jan 18 1.28pm |
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and as if by magic!! [Link] Lol "Amazon set to bid for Premier League streaming rights The retailer looks set to add English football to its growing roster of sports. When the English Football Association opens the bidding for Premier League broadcasting rights in February, it may see keen interest from a significant but not-so-unexpected source: Amazon. Bloomberg reports that the online retailer is preparing to bid for matches next month, likely providing traditional UK broadcasters Sky and BT with some much-needed competition over the next three years. Should Amazon be successful, the Premier League (soccer) would be its biggest sporting deal, behind previous agreements to stream thursday night NFL matches and ATP tennis. However, with Sky and BT paying a combined £5.14 billion ($6.96 billion) for 168 live matches back in 2015, Amazon will likely need to spend big to acquire what it's after. Last month, Sky and BT announced that they would share their most popular channels, a move that may have been in preparation for interest from Amazon. Facebook has also been linked with the auction, although the social network remains quiet on its plans to expand further into sports. Although Amazon is expected to bid for one of the smaller packages that will be made available for coverage of future Premier League seasons, there's no word on whether the company will make streams available to audiences outside the UK. The English Football Association holds separate auctions for US and other global markets, maximizing its return in the process. For Amazon, coverage of the world's most popular football league will provide another incentive for consumers to sign up for or continue renewing their Prime subscription. If a docu-series on the pursuits of Manchester City wasn't enough, access to between 20 and 32 matches (possibly more) from next season might seal the deal for football purists who have previously held out."
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MikeCrete  Crete 05 Jan 18 5.11pm |
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Sorry if I repeat something already said in the thread, just skimmed through bits as tad busy.
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| EagleEssex Essex 06 Jan 18 1.58am |
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Originally posted by mrpflannery
As much as I also want to have access to every minute of every game no matter where I am we are looking at this from the lofty levels of the Premier League. Its all very well and good saying how much money there is in the tv revenue and how well attended most of the games are, but this is purely from a premier league perspective. In the lower leagues, as we know from years in the championship, this is not the case. If the FA allow access to every minute of premier league football here in the UK it will have a detrimental impact on attendances and revenues in the lower leagues, which no real football fan wants. Our country is very unique in that even 3rd or 4th tier matches can have attendances of circa 10k on occasion. It's scary to see how quickly our fan base can forget this. Excellent points, fully agree.
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| Palace Passion Bromley, South London 06 Jan 18 11.15am |
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The only reason I watch streams for the games I can't get to is because I can't afford the astautonate prices to get into Selhurst Park. It used to be a affordable game to go and see. I was hoping to start taking my young kid to games but fathers just can't afford to take their family's anymore so we have to sit at home watching it via a laptop which my kid isn't interested in because of there being no real atmosphere and not experiencing the real feel of a football match.. 20 is plenty. Edited by Palace Passion (06 Jan 2018 11.16am)
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