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cryrst The garden of England 21 Dec 17 9.35pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Which shows the obscene amounts of money they must earn doesn't it. You assume they don't earn it.
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johnfirewall 22 Dec 17 1.38am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How can you know this if you haven't read it? It addresses his allies' expression of utter contempt for the working class they supposedly stand for? My mistake. Please summarise. Who ultimately was responsible for the demonisation of the working class? Surely by the time it was written, it was only those left behind by Blair's efforts who still fell in to the category and were subsequently deemed inferior by an additional strata of society absorbed in to education and the public sector.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Dec 17 2.47am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You assume they don't earn it. No one is worth 2m a year, not really. I demand a high wage due to a rarity of skills (which I happen to possess). But in truth I'm not worth what I get paid for doing something IT talent don't want to do. But that does't mean I don't like the money. I still remember having a proper job.
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cryrst The garden of England 22 Dec 17 5.50pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No one is worth 2m a year, not really. I demand a high wage due to a rarity of skills (which I happen to possess). But in truth I'm not worth what I get paid for doing something IT talent don't want to do. But that does't mean I don't like the money. I still remember having a proper job.
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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Dec 17 6.02pm | |
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Wayne Rooney is a working class lad who happens to be on £300,000 a week.
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Stirlingsays 22 Dec 17 7.30pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The mentality of 'what's it worth to you' is unregulated capitalism. It's not best for society at large once the rewards can vastly out strip the work. For example.....the internet and the web wouldn't likely have even got started with this kind of 'what's it worth to you' mentality. The language needed to connect pages was created and given away for free. A lot of the current infrastructure all of us use in life wasn't created by us and we use it.....with a 'what's it worth' mentality......well, we would see far more toll gates on roads for example. Unregulated capitalism eats itself, just as communism does. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2017 7.30pm)
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Stirlingsays 22 Dec 17 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Wayne Rooney is a working class lad who happens to be on £300,000 a week. As said, there is working class by wage and working class by mentality. He has the mentality but he isn't working class....he doens't have to deal with any of the problems of working people...over and above a certain amount of money you just can't be working class....even if that's where you came from.....but he has the mentality because he was raised working class.
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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Dec 17 8.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As said, there is working class by wage and working class by mentality. He has the mentality but he isn't working class....he doens't have to deal with any of the problems of working people...over and above a certain amount of money you just can't be working class....even if that's where you came from.....but he has the mentality because he was raised working class. Ok let's twist that one a bit. If a privately-educated RP-spoken fella from a well to do background, whose relatives and descendants were of the professional class, as are all his friends, but he himself had been employed as a £15,000 a year waiter for the last five years; does that stop him being the ultra middle class lad which his background and environment dictates that he is? I think not.
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.TUX. 22 Dec 17 8.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The mentality of 'what's it worth to you' is unregulated capitalism. It's not best for society at large once the rewards can vastly out strip the work. For example.....the internet and the web wouldn't likely have even got started with this kind of 'what's it worth to you' mentality. The language needed to connect pages was created and given away for free. A lot of the current infrastructure all of us use in life wasn't created by us and we use it.....with a 'what's it worth' mentality......well, we would see far more toll gates on roads for example. Unregulated capitalism eats itself, just as communism does. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Dec 2017 7.30pm) I disagree. Unregulated capitalism is true capitalism in every sense, ie if you're good at what you do the public will keep you/your business alive. If not, you burn. WTF!
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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Dec 17 8.24pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I disagree. Unregulated capitalism is true capitalism in every sense, ie if you're good at what you do the public will keep you/your business alive. If not, you burn. WTF! Whilst i agree, the fact is that if that business is free to do what it will, with no holds barred, and its goods are not sustainable then it will burn eventually anyhow. Or, looking at the bigger picture, irresponsible, unregulated, aggressive free-market capitalism can only but implode. I prefer the policies of more enlightened countries who mix it up a bit with a bit of socialism and limits to just how much corporations can monopolise and take without due care.
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.TUX. 22 Dec 17 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Whilst i agree, the fact is that if that business is free to do what it will, with no holds barred, and its goods are not sustainable then it will burn eventually anyhow. Or, looking at the bigger picture, irresponsible, unregulated, aggressive free-market capitalism can only but implode. I prefer the policies of more enlightened countries who mix it up a bit with a bit of socialism and limits to just how much corporations can monopolise and take without due care. How do you think that we, as a civilisation, progressed for thousands of years? Regulation stifles ingenuity. The marketplace should be the only judge.
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Kermit8 Hevon 22 Dec 17 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
How do you think that we, as a civilisation, progressed for thousands of years? Regulation stifles ingenuity. The marketplace should be the only judge. The human race, you mean? We are not in this all together. Some have progressed/benefited and some have suffered through the modern capitalist system. If you scan the globe you will easily find areas that have been aggressively destroyed in the pursuit of profit and the locals who have born the brunt. Also, you are contradicting yourself. You hate the banks more than anyone but they are the finest example of what you have just promoted. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Dec 2017 8.53pm)
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