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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Dec 17 10.21pm
Originally posted by Direwolf So how does the teacher distinguish between genuine need and tomfoolery? If you start with the mindset '99% of the time' are you ever going to believe anyone? You can tell after time. Teacher intuition. Usually if you say can you hold on or do you want to make up time at the end, they somehow manage to hold on.
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Shizzlehurst 11 Dec 17 10.21pm

Originally posted by Direwolf

So how does the teacher distinguish between genuine need and tomfoolery? If you start with the mindset '99% of the time' are you ever going to believe anyone?

You can tell after time. Teacher intuition. Usually if you say can you hold on or do you want to make up time at the end, they somehow manage to hold on.

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Part Time James 11 Dec 17 10.28pm
I did a huge piss all over the reading area in my class when I was 8 because I was scared to ask the teacher if I could go to the lav. Despite my trousers being soaked in urine I managed to escape blame somehow. Hardly Sherlock Holmes my teacher.
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I did a huge piss all over the reading area in my class when I was 8 because I was scared to ask the teacher if I could go to the lav. Despite my trousers being soaked in urine I managed to escape blame somehow. Hardly Sherlock Holmes my teacher.

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martin2412 Living The Dream 11 Dec 17 10.43pm
Go on admit it. It's a power thing.
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Living The Dream 11 Dec 17 10.43pm

Go on admit it.
It's a power thing.

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JusticeToad Beckenham 11 Dec 17 11.33pm
Maybe I'm an idealist but I think we should try to treat children with respect wherever possible. Can you imagine not being allowed to go to the toilet? It's pretty much just prisoners and children who are treated like that. Preventing children from going to the toilet to waste time does not mean that they will learn instead - you can't force a child (or anyone) to learn if they don't want to. But like I said, I am an idealist
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Beckenham 11 Dec 17 11.33pm

Maybe I'm an idealist but I think we should try to treat children with respect wherever possible. Can you imagine not being allowed to go to the toilet? It's pretty much just prisoners and children who are treated like that.

Preventing children from going to the toilet to waste time does not mean that they will learn instead - you can't force a child (or anyone) to learn if they don't want to.

But like I said, I am an idealist

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iheartcpfc SE25 12 Dec 17 2.30am
Originally posted by Misseagle A child who left after I said no would be sent to the Headmistress. You are the sort of parent who thinks children can do whatever they like, I bet you would be the first to blame a teacher for your child not meeting targets? A child cannot learn if they are in the toilet. sent to the head for needing a piss? behave. Schools shouldn't be f***ing around with this kind of thing. It's a sensitive topic for kids anyway when young and not being allowed to go when they need to is barbaric
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SE25 12 Dec 17 2.30am

Originally posted by Misseagle

A child who left after I said no would be sent to the Headmistress.
You are the sort of parent who thinks children can do whatever they like, I bet you would be the first to blame a teacher for your child not meeting targets?

A child cannot learn if they are in the toilet.

sent to the head for needing a piss? behave. Schools shouldn't be f***ing around with this kind of thing. It's a sensitive topic for kids anyway when young and not being allowed to go when they need to is barbaric

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sitdownstandup 12 Dec 17 6.18am
The child should really have gone during break time. She is in Year 6 and she would know the class rules by now. Most schools have policies on this and they would begin from at least Y3 upwards so by Year 6 children should know that they should only be going to the toilet at break times. There will be times when children need to go outside of these times and then it is up to the teacher's discretion as to whether or not a child should be allowed to go. Teaching is a difficult job and the parent should support the teacher. I think each teacher will act differently on this issue but as said earlier most schools will not allow pupils to go to the toilet during lesson times as it disrupts learning. It would be nice to think that the parent would be understanding to the child while also supporting the teacher who is only upholding school rules. Edited by sitdownstandup (13 Dec 2017 9.37am) Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping. Hubert Reeves
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The child should really have gone during break time. She is in Year 6 and she would know the class rules by now. Most schools have policies on this and they would begin from at least Y3 upwards so by Year 6 children should know that they should only be going to the toilet at break times. There will be times when children need to go outside of these times and then it is up to the teacher's discretion as to whether or not a child should be allowed to go. Teaching is a difficult job and the parent should support the teacher. I think each teacher will act differently on this issue but as said earlier most schools will not allow pupils to go to the toilet during lesson times as it disrupts learning. It would be nice to think that the parent would be understanding to the child while also supporting the teacher who is only upholding school rules.

Edited by sitdownstandup (13 Dec 2017 9.37am)

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 12 Dec 17 7.23am
People need to learn moderation and control. Let them widdle at random and it will just lead to all sorts of terrible behaviour. For instance at football matches where folks arrive late after 6 pints disrupt the whole row to sit (as they always have a seat in the middle, then in the first half alone get up to answer the call of nature 6 times ( suppose it was cold.) Nip this in the bud early I say!
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People need to learn moderation and control.

Let them widdle at random and it will just lead to all sorts of terrible behaviour.

For instance at football matches where folks arrive late after 6 pints disrupt the whole row to sit (as they always have a seat in the middle, then in the first half alone get up to answer the call of nature 6 times ( suppose it was cold.)

Nip this in the bud early I say!

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PaddyMcPaddy 12 Dec 17 10.26am
Originally posted by Misseagle I've gone during teaching time once in 2 years. Usually I hold it as there is no one to cover. The toilets are just outside my class, so the kids can go as soon as break arrives, if they don't take that chance because they are too busy playing, tough luck. I agree you can't disrupt a whole class and understand your point of view. Although surely it is counter intuitive. If (under the belief they need to go) they aren't allowed to go, they then wont be able to concentrate in class. I know if i'm in a long meeting and need to go that is all I can think of. So they may effectively be missing a whole afternoon class not concentrating instead of a couple of minutes? Edited by PaddyMcPaddy (12 Dec 2017 10.28am)
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PaddyMcPaddy

12 Dec 17 10.26am

Originally posted by Misseagle

I've gone during teaching time once in 2 years. Usually I hold it as there is no one to cover.

The toilets are just outside my class, so the kids can go as soon as break arrives, if they don't take that chance because they are too busy playing, tough luck.

I agree you can't disrupt a whole class and understand your point of view.
Although surely it is counter intuitive. If (under the belief they need to go) they aren't allowed to go, they then wont be able to concentrate in class.
I know if i'm in a long meeting and need to go that is all I can think of. So they may effectively be missing a whole afternoon class not concentrating instead of a couple of minutes?

Edited by PaddyMcPaddy (12 Dec 2017 10.28am)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Dec 17 11.25am
Originally posted by Misseagle These kids will be going to secondary school in a few months, if they can't hold their wee what hope have they got? One of the mums was angry because her daughter was busting in the car on the way home after I had made her wait all afternoon. Why didn't she go after school if she was that desperate? You strike me as the sort of teacher who would rather see my daughter bleed everywhere rather than go to the loo. As happened at her school Then when I write to the school they insist it must be a doctors note and not a letter from a parent. She also has a phobia of toilets after finding her nan dead when she was 3. Still as long as you're happy absolutely pathetic Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (12 Dec 2017 11.27am) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 12 Dec 17 11.25am

Originally posted by Misseagle

These kids will be going to secondary school in a few months, if they can't hold their wee what hope have they got?

One of the mums was angry because her daughter was busting in the car on the way home after I had made her wait all afternoon.

Why didn't she go after school if she was that desperate?

You strike me as the sort of teacher who would rather see my daughter bleed everywhere rather than go to the loo. As happened at her school

Then when I write to the school they insist it must be a doctors note and not a letter from a parent.

She also has a phobia of toilets after finding her nan dead when she was 3. Still as long as you're happy

absolutely pathetic

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (12 Dec 2017 11.27am)

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Park Road 12 Dec 17 12.07pm
Holding your pee can cause many adverse effects such as: Constant and strong pain when urinating Fever, caused by the effect of the bacteria present in urine that were not properly expelled from the body.Shivers, Stomach pains,Cramps, Anxiety, and Difficulty concentrating on anything other than the desire to pee. Also, holding your urine can increase your risk of infection or kidney disease: enlarged prostate,neurogenic bladder, kidney disorders, and urinary retention. There isn’t a set guideline for how long you can safely hold your pee. It varies from person to person. So, if you got to go, you got to go
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Park Road

12 Dec 17 12.07pm

Holding your pee can cause many adverse effects such as:

Constant and strong pain when urinating
Fever, caused by the effect of the bacteria present in urine that were not properly expelled from the body.Shivers, Stomach pains,Cramps, Anxiety, and Difficulty concentrating on anything other than the desire to pee.
Also, holding your urine can increase your risk of infection or kidney disease:
enlarged prostate,neurogenic bladder, kidney disorders, and urinary retention.

There isn’t a set guideline for how long you can safely hold your pee. It varies from person to person.
So, if you got to go, you got to go

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Misseagle London 12 Dec 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch You strike me as the sort of teacher who would rather see my daughter bleed everywhere rather than go to the loo. As happened at her school Then when I write to the school they insist it must be a doctors note and not a letter from a parent. She also has a phobia of toilets after finding her nan dead when she was 3. Still as long as you're happy absolutely pathetic Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (12 Dec 2017 11.27am) I don't see why by year 6 children shouldn't be able to wee,and change their pad during breaktime, and hang on in lessons.
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Misseagle

London 12 Dec 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

You strike me as the sort of teacher who would rather see my daughter bleed everywhere rather than go to the loo. As happened at her school

Then when I write to the school they insist it must be a doctors note and not a letter from a parent.

She also has a phobia of toilets after finding her nan dead when she was 3. Still as long as you're happy

absolutely pathetic

Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (12 Dec 2017 11.27am)

I don't see why by year 6 children shouldn't be able to wee,and change their pad during breaktime, and hang on in lessons.

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Misseagle London 12 Dec 17 12.10pm
Originally posted by Park Road Holding your pee can cause many adverse effects such as: Constant and strong pain when urinating Fever, caused by the effect of the bacteria present in urine that were not properly expelled from the body.Shivers, Stomach pains,Cramps, Anxiety, and Difficulty concentrating on anything other than the desire to pee. Also, holding your urine can increase your risk of infection or kidney disease: enlarged prostate,neurogenic bladder, kidney disorders, and urinary retention. There isn’t a set guideline for how long you can safely hold your pee. It varies from person to person. So, if you got to go, you got to go They are not waiting for hours, and not long it all if they go at break.
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Misseagle

London 12 Dec 17 12.10pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Holding your pee can cause many adverse effects such as:

There isn’t a set guideline for how long you can safely hold your pee. It varies from person to person.
So, if you got to go, you got to go

They are not waiting for hours, and not long it all if they go at break.

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