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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 9.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Probably about 40 percent sounds about right. Problem is you said, 'I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.'. The reality is that it is less than half. You should have said, a 'significant minority' of evangelical Christians'. Just giving you back some of that 'progressive' BS you sign up for......but only for the groups you like of course. 40% of AMERICANS, not 40% of evangelicals. I do understand how hard this must be for you, though, trying to explain America to Americans based on the varied and extensive interactions you have with them up there in the Fens. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Probably about 40 percent sounds about right.

Problem is you said, 'I think evangelical Christians are pro-the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because they think it's part of the end times that will bring about the rapture.'.

The reality is that it is less than half.

You should have said, a 'significant minority' of evangelical Christians'.

Just giving you back some of that 'progressive' BS you sign up for......but only for the groups you like of course.

40% of AMERICANS, not 40% of evangelicals.

I do understand how hard this must be for you, though, trying to explain America to Americans based on the varied and extensive interactions you have with them up there in the Fens.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 10.10pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston 40% of AMERICANS, not 40% of evangelicals. My mistake. That's stat isn't really helping anyone's contention on evangelicals. Many general American Christians would sign up to that. The reality is that there are always groups within groups. Originally posted by Ray in Houston I do understand how hard this must be for you, though, trying to explain America to Americans based on the varied and extensive interactions you have with them up there in the Fens. Amusing, I'll give you that. I grew up in London......I have this things called a television and it shows people talking from other countries. Guess I have to move to Scotland to know if the Scottish like whisky. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 10.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Dec 17 10.10pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

40% of AMERICANS, not 40% of evangelicals.

My mistake.

That's stat isn't really helping anyone's contention on evangelicals. Many general American Christians would sign up to that.

The reality is that there are always groups within groups.

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I do understand how hard this must be for you, though, trying to explain America to Americans based on the varied and extensive interactions you have with them up there in the Fens.

Amusing, I'll give you that.

I grew up in London......I have this things called a television and it shows people talking from other countries.

Guess I have to move to Scotland to know if the Scottish like whisky.

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Ray in Houston Houston 06 Dec 17 10.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I grew up in London......I have this things called a television and it shows people talking from other countries. London, Texas? It's a town of about 200 people that would be the bullseye if you turned Texas into a dartboard. Unless you've been to any of the myriad of rural towns like this one, or even the smaller southern cities, you can have no clue how people there live and think. I grew up in London (UK) and - as I explained earlier in this thread - I learned very quickly that America is very much a foreign country. But, hey, you've travelled the world from your couch so bully to you! We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 06 Dec 17 10.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I grew up in London......I have this things called a television and it shows people talking from other countries.

London, Texas? It's a town of about 200 people that would be the bullseye if you turned Texas into a dartboard. Unless you've been to any of the myriad of rural towns like this one, or even the smaller southern cities, you can have no clue how people there live and think.

I grew up in London (UK) and - as I explained earlier in this thread - I learned very quickly that America is very much a foreign country. But, hey, you've travelled the world from your couch so bully to you!

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Dec 17 10.45pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt. Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link] It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters. Just imagine if he did come back in this day and age though? A Palestinian Jew born in Jerusalem, he’d probably be thrown out of Israel by Netanyahu for being anti-Semitic, and executed for Hamas for being a bit too liberal! He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Or an opinion informed by actually living here - for 25 years - in Texas: the buckle of the bible belt.

Also, smart people have studied this and concluded that you need to get out more or pontificate less. [Link]

It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters.

Just imagine if he did come back in this day and age though? A Palestinian Jew born in Jerusalem, he’d probably be thrown out of Israel by Netanyahu for being anti-Semitic, and executed for Hamas for being a bit too liberal!

He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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johnno42000 07 Dec 17 5.50am
Originally posted by serial thriller It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters. Just imagine if he did come back in this day and age though? A Palestinian Jew born in Jerusalem, he’d probably be thrown out of Israel by Netanyahu for being anti-Semitic, and executed for Hamas for being a bit too liberal! He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels. Trump would probably ban him because his name looked Mexican. Edited by johnno42000 (07 Dec 2017 5.55am) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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07 Dec 17 5.50am

Originally posted by serial thriller

It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters.

He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels.

Trump would probably ban him because his name looked Mexican.

Edited by johnno42000 (07 Dec 2017 5.55am)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 07 Dec 17 6.57am
Originally posted by serial thriller It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters. Just imagine if he did come back in this day and age though? A Palestinian Jew born in Jerusalem, he’d probably be thrown out of Israel by Netanyahu for being anti-Semitic, and executed for Hamas for being a bit too liberal! He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels. If he could get in to the US, he wouldn't last five minutes in many of our churches. He'd listen, smack himself on the forehead and say, "Oy vey, what are your saying. Listen I gave something simple like 'Love your neighbor. Meshugenah you screw it up like this!" Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT
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Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 07 Dec 17 6.57am

Originally posted by serial thriller

It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters.

He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels.

If he could get in to the US, he wouldn't last five minutes in many of our churches. He'd listen, smack himself on the forehead and say, "Oy vey, what are your saying. Listen I gave something simple like 'Love your neighbor. Meshugenah you screw it up like this!"

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

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Stuk Top half 07 Dec 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by kenbarr Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid? I can't see that anybody, other than America and Israel, would say there was even a fig leaf of neutrality or impartiality. The diplomatic leverage the US has in the region, is "leave Israel alone or else" pretty much. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Dec 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by kenbarr

Fully agree and now the U.S. has lost whatever diplomatic leverage it had in the region. Add to that, Kushner is our lead negotiator? How are they trying to kid?

I can't see that anybody, other than America and Israel, would say there was even a fig leaf of neutrality or impartiality.

The diplomatic leverage the US has in the region, is "leave Israel alone or else" pretty much.

Optimistic as ever

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Dec 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by serial thriller It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters. Just imagine if he did come back in this day and age though? A Palestinian Jew born in Jerusalem, he’d probably be thrown out of Israel by Netanyahu for being anti-Semitic, and executed for Hamas for being a bit too liberal! He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels. The wife and I were at the Houston Museum of Fine Arts last weekend. Wandering through the halls, we came across a giant painting of a bloke who looks exactly like Jack Whitehall, wearing but a loin cloth, lounging in a lush and verdant garden. Who was it supposed to be? John the Baptist. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Edited by Ray in Houston (07 Dec 2017 2.33pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 07 Dec 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

It’s a fact very easily forgotten abroad that such a high proportion of the west’s cultural, political, economic, social, baseball and deep fried edible vanguard is made up of religious nutters.

He’d probably crucify himself before he got to America. Can’t see him being a fan of Cable TV, the NRA and African American incarceration levels.

The wife and I were at the Houston Museum of Fine Arts last weekend. Wandering through the halls, we came across a giant painting of a bloke who looks exactly like Jack Whitehall, wearing but a loin cloth, lounging in a lush and verdant garden. Who was it supposed to be? John the Baptist.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Edited by Ray in Houston (07 Dec 2017 2.33pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Dec 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by Stuk I can't see that anybody, other than America and Israel, would say there was even a fig leaf of neutrality or impartiality. The diplomatic leverage the US has in the region, is "leave Israel alone or else" pretty much. Part of the leverage was not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital city because it was being held back to gain concessions from the Israelis on other things - like ending the expansion into occupied territories. Ignoring the fact that it has pissed off pretty much everyone other than some Americans and most Israelis, Donald "Art of the Deal" Trump just gave away that lever for nothing. Look for Trump Tower Jerusalem; coming soon. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 07 Dec 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Stuk

I can't see that anybody, other than America and Israel, would say there was even a fig leaf of neutrality or impartiality.

The diplomatic leverage the US has in the region, is "leave Israel alone or else" pretty much.

Part of the leverage was not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital city because it was being held back to gain concessions from the Israelis on other things - like ending the expansion into occupied territories.

Ignoring the fact that it has pissed off pretty much everyone other than some Americans and most Israelis, Donald "Art of the Deal" Trump just gave away that lever for nothing*.

* Look for Trump Tower Jerusalem; coming soon.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stuk Top half 07 Dec 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Part of the leverage was not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital city because it was being held back to gain concessions from the Israelis on other things - like ending the expansion into occupied territories. Ignoring the fact that it has pissed off pretty much everyone other than some Americans and most Israelis, Donald "Art of the Deal" Trump just gave away that lever for nothing. Look for Trump Tower Jerusalem; coming soon. The US held it back since the mid 90s and Israel expanded/created Jewish settlements in to East Jerusalem well after that, so it wasn't really providing much leverage. All he's done is tick a box for his core support while pissing off everyone else except Israel, that Embassy will never relocate from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in reality. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 07 Dec 17 2.46pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Ignoring the fact that it has pissed off pretty much everyone other than some Americans and most Israelis, Donald "Art of the Deal" Trump just gave away that lever for nothing*.

* Look for Trump Tower Jerusalem; coming soon.

The US held it back since the mid 90s and Israel expanded/created Jewish settlements in to East Jerusalem well after that, so it wasn't really providing much leverage.

All he's done is tick a box for his core support while pissing off everyone else except Israel, that Embassy will never relocate from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in reality.

Optimistic as ever

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Ray in Houston Houston 07 Dec 17 3.33pm
Originally posted by Stuk The US held it back since the mid 90s and Israel expanded/created Jewish settlements in to East Jerusalem well after that, so it wasn't really providing much leverage. All he's done is tick a box for his core support while pissing off everyone else except Israel, that Embassy will never relocate from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in reality. Exactly. Trump has done the superficial thing - recognize the capital city - but will not do the meaningful thing of moving the Embassy. So what was the point? (Other than to give a denture-challenged speech as a distraction from Trump Jr. testifying under oath to the House Intelligence Committee). The State Department issued to warning to Americans in the region to, basically, watch themselves from now on because Trump just painted a big, red target on their backs. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 07 Dec 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by Stuk

The US held it back since the mid 90s and Israel expanded/created Jewish settlements in to East Jerusalem well after that, so it wasn't really providing much leverage.

All he's done is tick a box for his core support while pissing off everyone else except Israel, that Embassy will never relocate from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in reality.

Exactly. Trump has done the superficial thing - recognize the capital city - but will not do the meaningful thing of moving the Embassy. So what was the point? (Other than to give a denture-challenged speech as a distraction from Trump Jr. testifying under oath to the House Intelligence Committee).

The State Department issued to warning to Americans in the region to, basically, watch themselves from now on because Trump just painted a big, red target on their backs.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 07 Dec 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Exactly. Trump has done the superficial thing - recognize the capital city - but will not do the meaningful thing of moving the Embassy. So what was the point? (Other than to give a denture-challenged speech as a distraction from Trump Jr. testifying under oath to the House Intelligence Committee). The State Department issued to warning to Americans in the region to, basically, watch themselves from now on because Trump just painted a big, red target on their backs. Well thats a bit much insinuating muslims will naturally react violently and attack westerners. But in truth its correct, and should tell you all you need to know about the region and the plight of hamas. Laughable how thats being used as an attack on Trump.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

The State Department issued to warning to Americans in the region to, basically, watch themselves from now on because Trump just painted a big, red target on their backs.

Well thats a bit much insinuating muslims will naturally react violently and attack westerners. But in truth its correct, and should tell you all you need to know about the region and the plight of hamas.

Laughable how thats being used as an attack on Trump.

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