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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is a lot of truth in that but unfortunately, there is one side of the argument that obfuscates, employs whataboutery like bringing Jeremy Corbyn into an argument about the Tories, DUP and Brexit for instanceand makes accusations of 'racism' whether the truth be told or not. They are not interested in the truth, only protecting their precious ideology, even if it ultimately means screwing themselves at the same time.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 17 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What about stretching the truth or using things out of context to perpetuate prejudice? Something is either true or not. How you interpret facts depends on your point of view.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 17 1.24pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Don't alter my posts or I will report it.
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danny choo choo Hayes 05 Dec 17 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is a lot of truth in that but unfortunately, there is one side of the argument that obfuscates, employs whataboutery and makes accusations of 'racism' whether the truth be told or not. They are not interested in the truth, only protecting their precious ideology, even if it ultimately means screwing themselves at the same time. you have somewhat stole my thunder but just to add i am far from blinkered and biased my eyes are wide open, i will listen and debate with anybody and will except and will and say when i happen to agree with their view and i am definatley open to being educated on something i was not aware of or wrong about thats why i dont like politicians towing the party line just for the cause which seems like just pure arrogance to me.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Dec 17 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nah, both sides are doing that. What people probably don't realise is that they're playing into the kind of polarisation of issues, that the far right and the far left use as a means of removing the middle ground. Of course, issues are polarised but facts are facts. The left remove the middle ground by calling any criticism of immigrants or immigration 'racist'.
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npn Crowborough 05 Dec 17 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it doesn't. It shows that the right keep dragging up the rape gang stuff which means that my mate Mo who runs the papershop has to endure a love hate relationship with his increasingly racist clientele. I still contend from personal experience anyone who accuses an opponent of calling them racist tends to be one. Whether they consciously realise they are or not is an interesting debate. Surprised this one's gone unchallenged. Are you suggesting that objecting to being called a racist, explicitly or implicitly, actually implies you're a racist? It's all gone a bit "Life of Brian" here hasn't it?
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Park Road 05 Dec 17 1.50pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
Surprised this one's gone unchallenged. Are you suggesting that objecting to being called a racist, explicitly or implicitly, actually implies you're a racist? It's all gone a bit "Life of Brian" here hasn't it?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Dec 17 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Don't alter my posts or I will report it. Just pointing something out, that is all.
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 2.15pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course, rather than find a reasonable ground between these two, both sides seem to want to rally around the loudest shouting idiots waving their agenda flags, rather than embrace a reality. Yes, there is most certainly a problem relating to organised child sex gangs in the UK, which has been linked to Muslim gangs. And of course the primary threat of terrorism is from specific sects within Islam. Of course we should prosecute all child sex offenders, and those who exploit children for sex, irrespective of their religion. Same as we should with those involved in acts of terrorism, or supporting terrorism. However, the key here is proportional response. Yes, the authorities let those girls down, just as they did in the 80s and 90s with abuse in childhomes, the sixties and the 70s, with celebrity sex offenders. And those authorities, who's 'blind eye' that allowed these scandalous continuity of offences to occur were not Muslims. We know that pedophiles are not restricted by ethnicity or religion but predilection. The real problem here isn't just the nonces per se, but those who have spend all their time looking away in the Social Services and the Police, who have completely failed in their responsibility. A nonce is a nonce - they're wrong un's. But those responsible for those girls, aren't. As long as we just play on the Muslim aspect, we'll end up creating a new environment where nonces can hide away and rape kids. It'll just be a different group next time. Well, those in social services or the Police are and were accused of racism by the 'progressive left' and Muslim communities. People have mortgages to pay and livelihoods to protect. You blame the services.....and I certainly do blame them for a lack of balls.....but those balls have been squeezed out of the Police by years of 'progressive' management and 'community' and 'racism' training.......a complete and utter nonsense that gave you the conditions for these events. Anyone in the Police who isn't interested in justice regardless of race shouldn't be there anyway.....'training' is nothing but a suggestion otherwise and hence a humiliation and embarrassment. The Police are like all public services.....the whipping boys for society's other ills. They are human beings and are no better or worse than the societies they come from....those with lofty notions otherwise are suffering with 'Mr Chips' type delusions. But the real culprits of course are those who make the accusations everytime these questions were raised. Those who cry 'racist', 'dog whistle' and 'Islamophobia'. That was the real reason that these crimes became so big and widespread. You call yourself a progressive.....I regard you more as a 'Foot' communist type myself...someone whose politics is well meaning but whose vision only works if everyone in society played along...which never happens....well ok....this is like just saying 'progressive' by another name. Anyway that's the wing of the left that is responsible for the environment that allowed this 'special' hands off treatment to become standard. Any analysis into that situation needs to recognise the culpability of both equally. Centralists and those in the Labour party that reject those notions of racial or class victimhood as relevant would have never allowed this environment to occur. But there aren't many like 'John Mann' in the Labour party anymore....probably the only Labour MP I'd vote for. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Dec 2017 2.16pm)
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 2.19pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Just pointing something out, that is all. Unethically.
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 05 Dec 17 2.33pm | |
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The figures that he seems to quote as evidence that higher immigration has lead to increases in rape in Sweden have been debunked conclusively many times. But this hasn't stopped many anti-immigration figures (including Trump) suggesting that Sweden is now a "failed state". This is patently untrue, and if this is a new book (as it would seem) then it draws into question the validity of it's content. However the statistics are counted, by reported cases or number of convictions, it is clear that these are no greater in recent years, when immigration in greater numbers and from further afield is said to have occurred.
There are three types of factors that determine the outcome of crime statistics: statistical factors, legal factors, and substantive factors.[16][17][18] The combined effect of these "make it safe to contend that the Swedish rape statistics constitute an 'over-reporting' relative to the European average", according to a study by Hanns von Hofer, Professor of Criminology at Stockholm University, published by The European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research.[16] Statistical factors[edit] Sweden also applies a system of expansive offence counts. Other countries may employ more restrictive methods of counting. The Swedish police registers one offence for each person raped, and if one and the same person has been raped on a number of occasions, one offence is counted for each occasion that can be specified. For example, if a woman says she has been raped by her husband every day during a month, the Swedish police may record more than 30 cases of rape. In many other countries only a single offence would be counted in such a situation.[20][16][21][18][19] In Sweden, crime statistics refer to the year when the offence was reported; the actual offence may have been committed long before. Swedish rape statistics can thus contain significant time-lag, which makes interpretations of annual changes difficult.[16][18]
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Stirlingsays 05 Dec 17 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
The figures that he seems to quote as evidence that higher immigration has lead to increases in rape in Sweden have been debunked conclusively many times. But this hasn't stopped many anti-immigration figures (including Trump) suggesting that Sweden is now a "failed state". This is patently untrue, and if this is a new book (as it would seem) then it draws into question the validity of it's content. No it isn't. I have an open mind on this issue. The reality is that you can't tell. In an environment that is so politically charged as this one, how those crimes are categorised in terms of 'sensitive' cases is possibly suspect in a country like Sweden.
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