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 Midlands Eagle  16 Nov 17 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So fatties are a burden. The biggest burden on the NHS is people using it who don't need it at that time, they are the burden. Waiting times could be cut for a start. I'm afraid that I do use NHS as I have type 2 diabetes despite not being overweight. My wife is a staff nurse in a local hospital and until recently she was on a respiratory ward. She claims that the majority of her patients with respiratory problems were overweight, had diabetes and many smoked. There again many of the nurses seemed to be overweight too
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| Midlands Eagle 16 Nov 17 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Cost of insulin, vs the cost of long term elderly care? Healthy people, living longer lives are the burden on the NHS. Plus those fatties, paying for the NHS as well with their NI. Most diabetics aren't insulin dependant and the medication is fairly cheap. I have type 2 diabetes despite not being overweight and a few years ago I was in Spain and ran out of my Metformin prescription. Over there you can buy it over the counter and I managed to buy a month's supply for about 4 Euros so assume that the cost to the NHS is much less than that. The main cost to the NHS of diabetics is the increased risk of associated problems like heart attacks, strokes, amputations and blindness etc
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 17 1.12pm |
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In principle I am in favour of minimum pricing. This will not impact pubs and restaurants but corner shops and supermarkets who are selling booze at ridiculous cheap prices. Of course this is not a panacea and we need more alcohol treatment centers but we have a drinking culture in this country that needs to be addressed. Raising the price will not stop an alcoholic but it may deter the next generation from starting the drinking culture. The Smoking campaign has had some success and whilst there will always be diehards the level of smokers and take up is falling. I don''t like the nanny state but sometimes governments have to make a statement.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Nov 17 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Tandridge has a referral scheme that gets people into the gym. The condition some people are in an eye opener. Gyms are incredibly cheap these days. Lots of space in nearby council, not for profit gyms. De Stafford in Caterham about to undergo a major refurb after 20 years. Expensive gyms are being put out of business by 24 hour, £30 a month gyms. But you'll still see people swiping multibag after multipack of carbs, sugar and fat from the end of aisles and the crisp and confectionery aisles of Morrisons before finishing off in the cream cake corner. I don't go in Morrisons often but you'll see plenty shuffling in and out or unable to turn their 5 chins round to park their car in the car park. They could go to the top level and use the lift rather than hold everybody up. Christmas is 6 weeks away. Those tubs of chocolates 12 feet from the door are an essential before the fruit and veg in view. That should be legislated. I hope that connection between gym and state becomes much more commonplace. If someone wants to stuff themselves full of cream cakes then fine. That's the cream....eh...sorry...that's the price of freedom.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Nov 17 1.20pm |
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Starting the nation young in maintaining good health has had some schools focusing on non team sports and more individual exercising and classes. Girls and girl only classes are seeing this having a positive effect.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 17 1.31pm |
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I know this is off topic but I just saw the discussion on diabetes and have to tell this story. I have a minor medical condition that requires daily medicine which I have to pay for. It is not lifestyle related. I exercise 2/3 times a week and have given up alcohol (I was a heavy drinker) and watch what I eat. In short I am a model NHS patient as the nurse told me when I had my health check. My mate is a type 2 diabetic because of his lifestyle. No exercise, binge drinks and is massively overweight due to his poor diet. He takes 5 different medications for various diabetic related illnesses all of which could be either cured or greatly improved through lifestyle improvement. He has no intention of doing this. in addition he cheerfully told me that as he is diabetic he is entitled to free Viagra. But you don't have a girlfriend? So? I just sell them in the pub for £5 a tablet. In short whilst I pay to be a model patient not only is he costing the NHS a small fortune he is actually profiting from it. Go figure. Anyway just had to get that of my perfectly healthy chest.
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| stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 16 Nov 17 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
20 packs of beer should be removed from the entrance and end of aisles. I'm with you on this. In fact I removed a couple of cases at the weekend!
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Nov 17 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by stuckinbristol
I'm with you on this. In fact I removed a couple of cases at the weekend! If I want better 4% lager that I used to buy in multipacks I have to search around for it in 4 can packs for £4 because Becks and Stella, or possibly the supermarket if it's a loss leader, probably don't profit enough from it and have discontinued it. It's now Amstel from the supermarket or Stella 4% from the petrol station. No becks 4% anywhere. I'm not drinking that American light sh1t. I wonder who does. It seems to be everywhere and advertised on tv. It's now winter so Guinness will be on the list. A few bottles of high strength cider to finish off from the selection box too. Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Nov 2017 1.56pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 17 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I know this is off topic but I just saw the discussion on diabetes and have to tell this story. I have a minor medical condition that requires daily medicine which I have to pay for. It is not lifestyle related. I exercise 2/3 times a week and have given up alcohol (I was a heavy drinker) and watch what I eat. In short I am a model NHS patient as the nurse told me when I had my health check. My mate is a type 2 diabetic because of his lifestyle. No exercise, binge drinks and is massively overweight due to his poor diet. He takes 5 different medications for various diabetic related illnesses all of which could be either cured or greatly improved through lifestyle improvement. He has no intention of doing this. in addition he cheerfully told me that as he is diabetic he is entitled to free Viagra. But you don't have a girlfriend? So? I just sell them in the pub for £5 a tablet. In short whilst I pay to be a model patient not only is he costing the NHS a small fortune he is actually profiting from it. Go figure. Anyway just had to get that of my perfectly healthy chest. Neither of you should be paying (or paying more than a prescription fee). The truth here, and its an important one, not everyone who eats and drinks too much develops type 2 diabetes - Its a correlation that's applicable only on a statistical scale, on an individual scale its really impossible to determine why patient x does, and patient y doesn't, despite similar lifestyles. And if your mate is selling his Viagra, he's breaking the 1963 Medicines Act (and possibly the 1972 Misuse of Drugs act) - both of which carry potential prison sentences. The problem here isn't that the laws are wrong, or that society is doing the wrong thing, its that your mate I'm afraid to say is a bit of a c**t. But a lot of people end up in a similar position, without acting with such self disregard. I've met people who aren't overweight, don't smoke, aren't great drinkers who by dint of the biological lottery have issues with high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, heart disease etc.
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| stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 16 Nov 17 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
If I want better 4% lager that I used to buy in multipacks I have to search around for it in 4 can packs for £4 because Becks and Stella, or possibly the supermarket if it's a loss leader, probably don't profit enough from it and have discontinued it. It's now Amstel from the supermarket or Stella 4% from the petrol station. No becks 4% anywhere. I'm not drinking that American light sh1t. I wonder who does. It seems to be everywhere and advertised on tv. It's now winter so Guinness will be on the list. A few bottles of high strength cider to finish off from the selection box too. Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Nov 2017 1.56pm) I tend to drink Stella if I'm having larger. More recently I have been drinking bitter/ale.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Nov 17 3.09pm |
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Off across the channel Saturday to stock up on Westmalle Tripel & Orval from the hypermarkets. Am also booked into the monastery at Westvleteren for 2 cases of Westvleteren 12.
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| YT Oxford 16 Nov 17 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
20 packs of beer should be removed from the entrance and end of aisles. Why? Are you afraid of tripping over them?
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