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Ray in Houston Houston 16 Nov 17 3.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Because they are disruptive and undermine western societies in their view. This. The Russians have also been stoking the Catalan independence movement. There's no ideological purity here; just the desire to destabilize the world. A kneecapped US and a disunited Europe are both major boons to Russia and therefore the kleptocrats running that country. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by steeleye20

Because they are disruptive and undermine western societies in their view.

This. The Russians have also been stoking the Catalan independence movement. There's no ideological purity here; just the desire to destabilize the world. A kneecapped US and a disunited Europe are both major boons to Russia and therefore the kleptocrats running that country.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 17 3.43pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan No you're right, I've been visiting Slovakia for 12 years & lived there for the best part of a year without once paying attention to the history or culture of the place.... Typical English yob abroad I suppose. Don't have a clue what my Slovak girlfriend sees in me either. I can tell you all about the taxi mafia who used to run everything or theatre shows in villages like plostin talking about the failure of socialism Don't be daft maple. Please find where I explicitly state this is the tipping point for a new Soviet union. I'm merely pointing out the eu using bully boy tactics to get its way against what it sees as inferior nations, it's not a happy healthy EU. As for your other post, Bratislava took me a little by surprise the first time I visited, particularly the amount of gypsies begging for money at the train station but it has its own charm and I enjoy my time there. I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying: The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia. In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other. If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred. You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness.
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Croydon 16 Nov 17 3.43pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

No you're right, I've been visiting Slovakia for 12 years & lived there for the best part of a year without once paying attention to the history or culture of the place.... Typical English yob abroad I suppose.
Don't have a clue what my Slovak girlfriend sees in me either.

I can tell you all about the taxi mafia who used to run everything or theatre shows in villages like plostin talking about the failure of socialism

Don't be daft maple.

Please find where I explicitly state this is the tipping point for a new Soviet union.
I'm merely pointing out the eu using bully boy tactics to get its way against what it sees as inferior nations, it's not a happy healthy EU.

As for your other post, Bratislava took me a little by surprise the first time I visited, particularly the amount of gypsies begging for money at the train station but it has its own charm and I enjoy my time there.

I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying:

The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia.

In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other.

If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred.

You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness.

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 17 3.45pm
[Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Nov 17 3.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays [Link] Well done. You spotted my inspiration for the thread title.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

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Well done. You spotted my inspiration for the thread title.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 16 Nov 17 4.04pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying: The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia. In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other. If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred. You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness. I didn't think it needed explaining. It's our EU overlords that are the issue not these Eastern euro countries, I happen to support their stubbornness (not EU stubbornness). As for Russian interference on twitter, I thought most accounts on Twitter were bots whatever political persuasion you can think of. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 16 Nov 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying:

The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia.

In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other.

If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred.

You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness.

I didn't think it needed explaining.
It's our EU overlords that are the issue not these Eastern euro countries, I happen to support their stubbornness (not EU stubbornness).

As for Russian interference on twitter, I thought most accounts on Twitter were bots whatever political persuasion you can think of.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Some men just want to watch the world burn. In fairness, I am one of those people, admittedly to somewhat of a lesser degree of actively seeking it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Nov 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

In fairness, I am one of those people, admittedly to somewhat of a lesser degree of actively seeking it.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying: The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia. In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other. If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred. You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness. Mod Warning - Please avoiding sniping or snide insinuations at other posters. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Nov 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I did not say they would enter into a new Soviet Union, my words were 'push them back into the arms of the Russians'. That was in reply to you saying:

The EU are doing everything they can to push Poland,Hungary,Slovakia,Czech Republic etc back to towards Russia.

In my simple brain, one sentence follows on from the other.

If however you had said 'of course that would never happen given the history' I would have concurred.

You have my admiration and envy for having a Slovakian girlfriend, they melt the heart with their gorgeousness.

Mod Warning - Please avoiding sniping or snide insinuations at other posters.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I didn't think it needed explaining. It's our EU overlords that are the issue not these Eastern euro countries, I happen to support their stubbornness (not EU stubbornness). As for Russian interference on twitter, I thought most accounts on Twitter were bots whatever political persuasion you can think of. Which brings us back to the original issue - to what extent should this be permissible, allowing a foreign state to utilise social media, for its own ends over national ones. I'm kind of pro-exit, but I want that to be because the British people specifically chose that, not because of manipulation towards the ends of a foreign state. I don't think its just an issue for Brexit, or the US election, but that it fundamentally undermines the principle of democracy, if we allow foreign powers to attempt to influence national decisions and governments. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Nov 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I didn't think it needed explaining.
It's our EU overlords that are the issue not these Eastern euro countries, I happen to support their stubbornness (not EU stubbornness).

As for Russian interference on twitter, I thought most accounts on Twitter were bots whatever political persuasion you can think of.

Which brings us back to the original issue - to what extent should this be permissible, allowing a foreign state to utilise social media, for its own ends over national ones.

I'm kind of pro-exit, but I want that to be because the British people specifically chose that, not because of manipulation towards the ends of a foreign state.

I don't think its just an issue for Brexit, or the US election, but that it fundamentally undermines the principle of democracy, if we allow foreign powers to attempt to influence national decisions and governments.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Well done. You spotted my inspiration for the thread title. I suspected as much....That 'punk' unknowingly postmodernist contempt for society's structures and desires has a weird kind of pull.....A 'two fingers to the lot of them' enjoyment element. All bulls*** of course....well, in the case of the Sex Pistols anyway.....in it for the dosh and love flaps like the rest of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2017 4.20pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 17 4.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Well done. You spotted my inspiration for the thread title.

I suspected as much....That 'punk' unknowingly postmodernist contempt for society's structures and desires has a weird kind of pull.....A 'two fingers to the lot of them' enjoyment element.

All bulls*** of course....well, in the case of the Sex Pistols anyway.....in it for the dosh and love flaps like the rest of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2017 4.20pm)

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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 In fairness, I am one of those people, admittedly to somewhat of a lesser degree of actively seeking it. Kind of just singe a bit then. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Nov 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In fairness, I am one of those people, admittedly to somewhat of a lesser degree of actively seeking it.

Kind of just singe a bit then.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 17 4.23pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which brings us back to the original issue - to what extent should this be permissible, allowing a foreign state to utilise social media, for its own ends over national ones. I'm kind of pro-exit, but I want that to be because the British people specifically chose that, not because of manipulation towards the ends of a foreign state. I don't think its just an issue for Brexit, or the US election, but that it fundamentally undermines the principle of democracy, if we allow foreign powers to attempt to influence national decisions and governments. Haven't we been doing that by different means for decades? There is no way to effectively control the internet without closing it off. The voter better wise up to all the crap out there. To be honest, foreign propaganda would have to go some to overpower our own. It is endless and everywhere.
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16 Nov 17 4.23pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which brings us back to the original issue - to what extent should this be permissible, allowing a foreign state to utilise social media, for its own ends over national ones.

I'm kind of pro-exit, but I want that to be because the British people specifically chose that, not because of manipulation towards the ends of a foreign state.

I don't think its just an issue for Brexit, or the US election, but that it fundamentally undermines the principle of democracy, if we allow foreign powers to attempt to influence national decisions and governments.

Haven't we been doing that by different means for decades?
There is no way to effectively control the internet without closing it off. The voter better wise up to all the crap out there.
To be honest, foreign propaganda would have to go some to overpower our own. It is endless and everywhere.

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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 17 4.32pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Mod Warning - Please avoiding sniping or snide insinuations at other posters. What the h*ll are you talking about Jamie? If you think I was being ironic about Slovakian girls you have clearly never visited the place.
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Croydon 16 Nov 17 4.32pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Mod Warning - Please avoiding sniping or snide insinuations at other posters.

What the h*ll are you talking about Jamie?

If you think I was being ironic about Slovakian girls you have clearly never visited the place.

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