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PA Flag Bedfordshire 19 Nov 17 8.38am Send a Private Message to PA Add PA as a friend

Just been watching the highlights again and that penalty decision yesterday was just ridiculous.

It was such a nothing incident and the player clearly makes such an over the top fall, the ref must realise it’s a dive. He was right in front of it! How can you be an experienced ref and make such a bad bad decision??

When you think of the numerous fouls that Zaha doesn’t get in the penalty area, it’s just so frustrating to see a pen given for that nothingness.

Everton got gifted that point yesterday. One goal we gave them and one goal the ref gave them. They earned nothing themselves.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 19 Nov 17 9.08am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I certainly do NOT "Buy" the argument that the referee is a cheat etc etc.

Referees make split-second decisions and of course on reflection, and having viewed 'Slow-Mos' they might consider their judgement was awry.

At the end of the day they don't purposely make decisions they believe that are totally wrong but of course they do err the same as players and managers.

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 12.09am)

A good number of whom, over the years, have been involved with taking bungs........

With the vast amounts of money gambled, particularly in the far east and Asia, it would be very surprising indeed if there was not some corruption in the English game - it's simply weak human nature.

I would never be surprised to see the names of an official or two from the world of football (at all levels)come up on one of these 'paradise papers' leaks.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 19 Nov 17 9.24am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

When that foul on Cheek by the '90s hair styled blonde happened, where were our players storming into him? Bunch of pussies, and that is another reason we're going down. Not enough fight, pride or discipline for a relegation battle. No leaders. Just earners.

I agree.
If our lot had had a pop at Davies he might have gone.
If some of our old school had been playing Davies would have been hobbling off shortly afterwards as well.
We do not seem to have the all for one and one for all attitude anymore!

 

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chateauferret Flag 19 Nov 17 9.28am

Originally posted by Willo

I certainly do NOT "Buy" the argument that the referee is a cheat etc etc.

Referees make split-second decisions and of course on reflection, and having viewed 'Slow-Mos' they might consider their judgement was awry.

At the end of the day they don't purposely make decisions they believe that are totally wrong but of course they do err the same as players and managers.

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 12.09am)


Rubbish, Willo. Whether you think there's a conspiracy going on here it must be obvious to even a fool that this official's performance was nowhere near acceptable standard, it ruined the game, quite clearly affected the result and also left at least two Everton players without roundly deserved suspensions.

You could say that he made "mistakes". He made lots of mistakes, and quite a few of them were very serious mistakes indeed. They include:

- Penalty awarded for a dive
- Niasse not booked for said dive
- Penalty not awarded for Cabaye shove in the chest
- Player not booked for above
- Several yellow card offences by Niasse ignored
- Several yellow card offences by Davis ignored
- Advantage not played when Palace player through on goal
- Throw-in retaken for no reason when Everton failed to be ready for it
- Total failure to protect Wilf and Townsend from unfair challenges by various players

That is not a referee who "errs". That is lots of very serious "mistakes". Lots of very serious mistakes = a f***ing piss poor performance. And that's if we accept that there was no genuine bias, an assumption which I would regard as highly charitable. It's funny how none of his "mistakes" seemed to benefit us. If he'd got those things right we'd have won easily and the Speroni/Dann cockup would have been incidental (if indeed it had happened at all - Niasse should have been in the showers by then).

You need to get your head out of your arse, understand that the quality of refereeing in the Preimership is absolutely appalling, and accept that it is a serious issue. This performance was the worst display by a referee I have seen for a long time, but it sadly isn't untypical of the sort of s*** we see week in, week out. After all Northern Ireland are out of the World Cup because of precisely this sort of incompetence.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 19 Nov 17 9.39am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I don't think I have seen a refereeing performance that was so consistently poor.e
A while back a ref told us that he was sick of the constant fouling and the next player fouling would get booked regardless of who it was.
Should have happened yesterday and Chateau's points are well made.
It was an abysmal display in every way.

 

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Moose Flag In the sewer pipe... 19 Nov 17 9.40am Send a Private Message to Moose Add Moose as a friend

I agree absolutely that the refereeing was shambolic yesterday and you do have to wonder about partiality when so many clear decisions are going against us.

However, I will clear up the throw-in incident. The game was stopped and the throw-in retaken as the lino had (incorrectly) awarded the throw to Everton and was still flagging that way before being overruled by the ref. Frustrating but the correct decision.

 


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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 19 Nov 17 9.40am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Niasse was clearly the pantomine villain yesterday but he made made one and scored one ... did we miss out big time by not signing him on transfer deadline day? Two more points in the bag for sure.

Ref can only give decisions on what he thinks he can see but Niasse should be on the stage.

 


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chateauferret Flag 19 Nov 17 9.50am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Niasse was clearly the pantomine villain yesterday but he made made one and scored one ... did we miss out big time by not signing him on transfer deadline day? Two more points in the bag for sure.

Ref can only give decisions on what he thinks he can see but Niasse should be on the stage.

If he'd been playing for us and acted the way he did yesterday he'd have been booked for the dive and sent off for a second yellow after about half an hour.

Why do you think Tekers doesn't do it any more since he came to us?

Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 9.51am)

 


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chateauferret Flag 19 Nov 17 10.08am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I don't think I have seen a refereeing performance that was so consistently poor.e
A while back a ref told us that he was sick of the constant fouling and the next player fouling would get booked regardless of who it was.
Should have happened yesterday and Chateau's points are well made.
It was an abysmal display in every way.

In case anyone still thinks he performed reasonably, they can explain the following statistics.

Fouls: Palace 9, Everton 26.
Yellow cards: Palace 2, Everton 3.

Still convinced he was only guilty of "human error", Willo? (Davis committed more fouls than the whole Palace team put together).

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

In case anyone still thinks he performed reasonably, they can explain the following statistics.

Fouls: Palace 9, Everton 26.
Yellow cards: Palace 2, Everton 3.

Still convinced he was only guilty of "human error", Willo? (Davis committed more fouls than the whole Palace team put together).

I really don't think we can blame the referee for the foul count.

If it was us away from home and we committed 26 fouls to 9 and come away with a good point we would be lauding our team for the effort,grit and determination amongst headlines of a 'Battling performance'.

We could do a 'Davies' in our side with great energy and tireless performances.His uncle is Alan Whittle !

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 10.50am)

 

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chateauferret Flag 19 Nov 17 10.53am

Originally posted by Willo

I really don't think we can blame the referee for the foul count.

If it was us away from home and we committed 26 fouls to 9 and come away with a good point we would be lauding our team for the effort,grit and determination amongst headlines of a 'Battling performance'.

We could do a 'Davies' in our side with great energy and tireless performances.His uncle is Alan Whittle !

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2017 10.50am)

Are you deliberately missing the point?

Everton's foul count demonstrates that their players were guilty of deliberate and persistent fouling. That they only got three yellow cards when we got 2 for a third of their foul count proves that the ref did f*** all to make them play fairly.

And we have a Davies in our side, he's called Sakho. What do you think would have happened if he'd done to Niasse what Davies did to Wilf?

Clue: divide each side's foul count by its number of yellow cards and you'll get a pretty good idea.

BTW I don't give a flying f*** who Davies' umcle was.

Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 11.01am)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Nov 17 11.02am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

Are you deliberately missing the point?

Everton's foul count demonstrates that their players were guilty of deliberate and persistent fouling. That they only got three yellow cards when we got 2 for a third of their foul count proves that the ref did f*** all to make them play fairly.

And we have a Davies in our side, he's called Sakho. What do you think would have happened if he'd done to Niasse what Davies did to Wilf?

Clue: divide each side's foul count by its number of yellow cards and you'll get a pretty good idea.

Edited by chateauferret (19 Nov 2017 10.55am)

If we had gone away from home and adopted such a tactic and got a good draw there would be NO complaints on here whatsoever.Breaking up play and not allowing the other side to gain momentum is actually not a bad tactic when one is in dire need of points.

I believe your question surrounding Sakho is rhetorical and is certainly hypothetical.

Regards the maths of fouls to card count, not every foul is worthy of a card.

 

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