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 Kermit8  Hevon 12 Nov 17 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A fair while back I linked to research on what Islamic doctrines here are mainly pushed via the mosques....can't remember their names now but while a significant number are socially conservative and problematical they aren't Wahhabist....though as you say they may have been influenced by it back home. You need to read this
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 Hrolf The Ganger  12 Nov 17 7.04pm |
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'this ideology has spread far and wide in the UK'. That is thanks to the mass immigration that the left support. The route of the problem is people. We have allowed people to come here who are open to this kind of backward nonsense. And yet still they come.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Nov 17 7.14pm |
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Yep, their stuff is in plenty of mosques apparently, just as groups and individuals egged on by extremist media exist in the country. It's a problem for us all. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2017 7.17pm)
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 12 Nov 17 7.51pm |
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and not even to mention the theological 'takeover' that has happened already in many UK prisons. Imposed at the edge of a sword , or in this case, by a shank.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Nov 17 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
'this ideology has spread far and wide in the UK'. That is thanks to the mass immigration that the left support. The route of the problem is people. We have allowed people to come here who are open to this kind of backward nonsense. And yet still they come. You'd think that there hadn't been any conservative governments in the last 30-40 years. Yeah its just the left, who had, if we generously call New Labour Left Wing, 12-13 years in power? Its interesting of course that during the time of Tony Blair's Labour leadership, the left wing within the Labour Party were effectively marginalised by the Centre Right Third Way, pro-Capital, pro-corporate New Labour / Blairites. Left of you isn't left wing.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Nov 17 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'd think that there hadn't been any conservative governments in the last 30-40 years. Yeah its just the left, who had, if we generously call New Labour Left Wing, 12-13 years in power? Its interesting of course that during the time of Tony Blair's Labour leadership, the left wing within the Labour Party were effectively marginalised by the Centre Right Third Way, pro-Capital, pro-corporate New Labour / Blairites. Left of you isn't left wing. Whenever Blair said his 'left of centre' party trope it always raised a smile with me. Blair was about as collectivist as Maggie. I think the 'Third Way' was just the directions to his bank account for after dinner speeches. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2017 1.13pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Nov 17 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'd think that there hadn't been any conservative governments in the last 30-40 years. Yeah its just the left, who had, if we generously call New Labour Left Wing, 12-13 years in power? Its interesting of course that during the time of Tony Blair's Labour leadership, the left wing within the Labour Party were effectively marginalised by the Centre Right Third Way, pro-Capital, pro-corporate New Labour / Blairites. Left of you isn't left wing. Are you seriously suggesting that if the governments had been more left wing they would have restricted immigration more?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Nov 17 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'd think that there hadn't been any conservative governments in the last 30-40 years. Yeah its just the left, who had, if we generously call New Labour Left Wing, 12-13 years in power? Its interesting of course that during the time of Tony Blair's Labour leadership, the left wing within the Labour Party were effectively marginalised by the Centre Right Third Way, pro-Capital, pro-corporate New Labour / Blairites. Left of you isn't left wing. All governments have been guilty but support for mass immigration only comes from the 'liberal left'voter.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Nov 17 3.57pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Are you seriously suggesting that if the governments had been more left wing they would have restricted immigration more? No, but I am pointing out that we haven't actually had a left wing government since 1979, and yet its still the left's fault that immigration is this or that. Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and then May. Which exactly of those where the left wing government that were pushing for a multi-cultural society or for or less restrictive immigration?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Nov 17 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All governments have been guilty but support for mass immigration only comes from the 'liberal left'voter. So what your saying is that the 'liberal left voter' is responsible for decisions made by right wing and right of centre governments? Who exactly were the Liberal Left voting for between 1980 and 1997, and after 2010. I'd be surprised to hear they were voting Conservative
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Nov 17 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Whenever Blair said his 'left of centre' party trope it always raised a smile with me. Blair was about as collectivist as Maggie. I think the 'Third Way' was just the directions to his bank account for after dinner speeches. Made me laugh.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Nov 17 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No, but I am pointing out that we haven't actually had a left wing government since 1979, and yet its still the left's fault that immigration is this or that. Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and then May. Which exactly of those where the left wing government that were pushing for a multi-cultural society or for or less restrictive immigration? The entire body politic has moved towards the liberal-left, that's why you hear the likes of UKIP called crypto-fascists, yet they just represent traditional Tory views. We have suffered from the consequences of the liberal-left drift exhibited by all parties. Mrs May should try putting forward Tory policies rather than pander to the delusional ideas of the liberal-left.
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