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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Nov 17 11.30am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd say the economy of the island, which apparently isn't great. Outdated infrastructure abounds.

Also, you are picking on one aspect of the island when in reality it isn't much of a socialist run place anyway.

Of course those who own stuff are happy.....That's the case in all political systems.

Like I say, we have far more socialism here than they do. But I'll stop waffling with this point here because it sounds like I'm attacking you for the hell of it and I'm not.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.23am)

No you don't you big ape. Please don't go all 'eggshell' on me.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.32am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Definitely true, the equipment provided to Russia across the Alaskan straights was vital to the Red Army counter-attack at Moscow, and then later Stalingrad.

That said, the German invasion of Russia pretty much sealed the fate of the German Military, as it tied up their resources and manpower in a brutal meatgrinder of a conflict. Had the Germans not invaded Russia, the UK and US would probably have failed at Normandy (or not been able to launch the Normandy invasions in France).

More worrying though, would have been what would have happened if the US hadn't entered the war. Like outcome would have been the iron curtain would have extended at least as far as Spain on the European mainland (and likely the Soviets would have just rolled through France into Spain and Portugal, and likely the Scandinavian countries). That would have been a terrible situation for the UK to be in (as well as the rest of Europe).

No Lenin, no Hitler.....no WW2.

He just wouldn't have risen as high without the fear of the USSR within Germany.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.32am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.38am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

No you don't you big ape. Please don't go all 'eggshell' on me.

I'm an eggshell of my former self.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Nov 17 11.38am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No Lenin, no Hitler.....no WW2.

He just wouldn't have risen as high without the fear of the USSR within Germany.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.32am)

And who ramped up that fear to near-hysterical heights to keep the Jews company? A certain little corporal.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 Nov 17 11.40am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No Lenin, no Hitler.....no WW2.

He just wouldn't have risen as high without the fear of the USSR within Germany.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.32am)

and no WW1 no Lenin.

The Russian disasters of WWI is entirely responsible for the rise of revolutionary parties in Russia.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Nov 17 11.40am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm an eggshell of my former self.


A Brexggshell?

Let's hope that doesn't don't do a Humpty Dumpty who, daft egg that he is, is looking over the precipice and wobbling as we speak.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

And who ramped up that fear to near-hysterical heights to keep the Jews company? A certain little corporal.

Sure, but Hitler didn't exist within a vacuum. He was just the strong man who could take advantage of opinion that already existed. Both the 'stab in the back' Jewish stuff and fear of Bolsheviks was significant.

But lets not forget that the Nazis only ever represented around one third of politics there.

Similar to Lenin, Hitler was lucky, ruthless and smart....and a monster.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.46am)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Nov 17 11.44am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

and no WW1 no Lenin.

The Russian disasters of WWI is entirely responsible for the rise of revolutionary parties in Russia.

Is that true? The wannabe revolutionaries were planning/conspiring way before WW1 in various locations around Europe in exile. Hard to believe but if you strolled into a Whitechapel building around 1904-ish you could have shaken hands with Josef, Vladimir and Leon before going about your eviscerating business with the local ladies of the night.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.47am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


A Brexggshell?

Let's hope that doesn't don't do a Humpty Dumpty who, daft egg that he is, is looking over the precipice and wobbling as we speak.

I'd scream, 'Freedom' in my poor Scottish accent all the way down.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Nov 17 11.48am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, but Hitler didn't exist within a vacuum. He was just the strong man who could take advantage of opinion that already existed.

But lets not forget that the Nazis only ever represented around one third of politics there.

Similar to Lenin, Hitler was lucky, ruthless and smart....and a monster.

The stories of people having to wheelbarrow money around in order to pay for just a loaf of bread may not have been exaggerated things were that desperate. Economic woes, the blame game, a genius orator - yep, right place, right time...for Hitler. Wrong place, wrong time...for the rest of the world.

One of those instances when the 'evil' is not just hyperbole. What was it? 50million deaths in WW2. A true madman.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.51am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

and no WW1 no Lenin.

The Russian disasters of WWI is entirely responsible for the rise of revolutionary parties in Russia.

Yep.....it's true.

The rise of competing European militarism going into the 20th century gave rise to the alliances...which gave rise to WW1.

A horrible sh1tshow.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.58am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Nov 17 11.53am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

The stories of people having to wheelbarrow money around in order to pay for just a loaf of bread may not have been exaggerated things were that desperate. Economic woes, the blame game, a genius orator - yep, right place, right time...for Hitler. Wrong place, wrong time...for the rest of the world.

One of those instances when the 'evil' is not just hyperbole. What was it? 50million deaths in WW2. A true madman.

Yep, the Nazis had placards for elections saying things like, 'work and bread'.....the British and French forced people to work in the factories as near slaves.

Humiliation breeds extremism......as we later see in the middle east.

The Marshall plan was...in part.... a recognition of this by the US after WW2....they helped rebuild Germany rather than what happened after WW1....They learnt from our mistakes.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2017 11.57am)

 


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