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Lyons550 Shirley 08 Nov 17 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Child poverty is a ticking bombshell for the Tories, If it continues to increase at the present rate that will mean around 1 million more in addition to the 3.7 millions now. These children have been pushed into poverty by the Tories cuts and austerity policies since 2010. There just couldn't be a more abject failure.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Nov 17 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The term child poverty is deliberately emotive since children don't earn money. In times gone by, many people barely had a pot to piss in and yet managed to get by and feed their kids. I see no evidence of this Victorian work house style existence today. Some people need a reality check. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Nov 2017 5.03pm) It's the debt spiral that gets em and buying the wrong things from the wrong places that gets em into it. There were no kids clothes at primary, Tesco etc years ago and no cheap multipacks of any unhealthy cr@p desired. People not knowing how to cook a meal from scratch is a big factor but when you watch life swap programmes it really is down to the last penny, much as it was before.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Nov 17 5.23pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You're an idiot. All empirical data shows that reducing inequality from its current levels would increase productivity and increase output. This isn't simply theory. The Laffer curve has also been shown, empirically, to only kick in at relatively high levels of taxation (above 60% top rate), so again, from real life, well tested data, increasing the top rate of tax to a more reasonable level wouldn't reduce effort, and so wouldn't impact on output, and in fact the tax raised could be used to fund investment in infrastructure, education and public services, all of which would have a multiplier effect on output and make the economy and society better off. The extreme inequality in the UK and elsewhere across the globe is a huge break on economic productivity, both through inefficiencies of resources and in the way that the super wealthy go about avoid their proper contributions to the public purse, thereby forcing larger incidences of taxation on the less well off. The more skewed the income/wealth distribution the worse these two (huge) problems get. Would it negate the fall in tax receipts from avoidance when going over that point it has done?
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 5.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And no doubt you are a leading expert on child poverty. Poverty is relative. When people are homeless, sharing a room with ten others or starving to death, then I will take notice. I refer you to my previous point. Your grasp of the situation appears limited to what you've seen in the Daily Mail.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 5.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Just so i can start to get my head around the definition which is poverty...feel free to educate me here Cambridge...is the IMF definition based on a financial figure in relation to that countries GDP or similar? The reason I ask is that a number of us seem to have different ideas...each perfectly valid as to what the term 'poverty' ACTUALLY means. - Do we use the victorian example? It's defined as being below 60% of median income (on a household basis) and figures are "equivalised" to take into account differing compositions of households and their relative needs. This figure is a good proxy for not being able to afford the basic activities and opportunities available to the average household.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 5.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The term child poverty is deliberately emotive since children don't earn money. In times gone by, many people barely had a pot to piss in and yet managed to get by and feed their kids. I see no evidence of this Victorian work house style existence today. Some people need a reality check. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (08 Nov 2017 5.03pm) Poverty defined on a household level, so it refers to % of children being brought up poor. We know poverty inhibits life opportunities and is a waste of human resources.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Nov 17 5.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Would it negate the fall in tax receipts from avoidance when going over that point it has done?
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Nov 17 7.41pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You're an idiot. All empirical data shows that reducing inequality from its current levels would increase productivity and increase output. This isn't simply theory. The Laffer curve has also been shown, empirically, to only kick in at relatively high levels of taxation (above 60% top rate), so again, from real life, well tested data, increasing the top rate of tax to a more reasonable level wouldn't reduce effort, and so wouldn't impact on output, and in fact the tax raised could be used to fund investment in infrastructure, education and public services, all of which would have a multiplier effect on output and make the economy and society better off. The extreme inequality in the UK and elsewhere across the globe is a huge break on economic productivity, both through inefficiencies of resources and in the way that the super wealthy go about avoid their proper contributions to the public purse, thereby forcing larger incidences of taxation on the less well off. The more skewed the income/wealth distribution the worse these two (huge) problems get. And!
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hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Nov 17 8.19pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
As I said there is a huge body of empirical evidence that clearly shows improved productivity and output across the board from reduced inequality and no evidence that increases in equality or tax rates up to levels way in excess of current tax rates that increasing tax rates to more reasonable levels (say 60% top rate) would increase avoidance above rates already prevalent. Can you give us idiots, who are not fluent in waffle, an English version of this.
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Nov 17 8.31pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Can you give us idiots, who are not fluent in waffle, an English version of this. Exactly how much would this start at the 60% tax rate.
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cryrst The garden of England 08 Nov 17 8.31pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Exactly how much would this start at the 60% tax rate. Not you hedgehog the man from cambridge
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Nov 17 8.34pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I refer you to my previous point. Your grasp of the situation appears limited to what you've seen in the Daily Mail. What I see with my own eyes actually. I never read the Daily Mail. You keep on sowing the seeds of Lefty discontent. It's an amusing spectator sport for people of a certain age.
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