This. I think Roy's here until the end of his contract - whatever happens. If we go down I think he'll take a crack at getting up straight back up and will not renew if we don't bounce back up

To be fair, as much as your constant moaning has been driving me nuts lately I can vouch what you've said above rings true in my memory.

You didn't want Frank but after we signed and after much debating you did get behind him and did want him to succeed.

sorry goldfinger, its not great whichever way you try & spin it tho is it?

also i am an eternal optimist & will always get behind thd team but its getting harder to think this season will end up smelling or roses

Edited by braunstoneagle (27 Oct 2017 8.21pm)

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

Roy will have longer but if we don't turn around our fortunes in the next 5 games I think we are sunk. So this time period will dictate how long he has.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

i completely understand and in reality 35 points will keep you up nowadays, still means we need to win 11 games befofe the end of the season.

im sure we will do it, but it wont be easy.

like ive said in the last 5 pre-seasons, i will be happy with staying up on goal difference

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

Thank you. That is how it happened. The philosophy article you can't argue with but you can doubt we can do it but hope we do seeing as he's already been hired. I didn't post one post saying I wanted him hired and didn't place one pound on him being hired.

I thought when he was hired that I was the fool for not hedging on a 4th potential manager. Months later I saw the 1st sacking odds during the summer friendlies but didn't feel like it even though Frank was 25/1. Felt stupid again when he was sacked when remembering that 25/1 moment but at least the original bet was correct in some kind of way (it didn't work).

I want any manager to succeed or stay in the job because if not then we're in the sh1t (same for Pardew). I even wanted a game by game appraisal after Burnley but I would've been secretly contacting other managers whilst Frank was hopefully bringing a trickle of points in whilst creating a training ground atmosphere we're not ready for without real competition for places.

COYP