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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 22 Oct 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by cpj
Lewington admitted they couldn't get the players motivated for the Iceland game. If you can't do that for a Euros q-final, then what hope for a struggling side who cannot score a goal? He did in the premier league at clubs of similar size.
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| Icepick Tony Chester 22 Oct 17 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
i am well aware both are injured, but bentekkers wasnt injured, do we just keep on spending £20m on strikers everytime one gets injured? its not a sustainable model is it. basically the clubs damned if it does & damned if it doesnt. We didn't have enough backup last season, we then let the only other fit striker go. Whilst we spent big on Benteke, relying on that is absolutely crazy. Our recruitment has been pretty farcical since we came up, massive expenditure on mediocre players bar one or two. Holloway called it early doors that the infrastructure wasn't there and lessons should have been learned but haven't been. We are in this position because we have not moved on as a club, we have not recruited in the right areas at the right time and have relied heavily, season upon season, for a messiah to drag us out the brown stuff at the last minute. Sadly I think it has all caught up with us and when we go down, our top players will leave and the squad that is left will be championship standard, just like the one that got lucky promotion.
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| Maine Eagle USA 22 Oct 17 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Icepick Tony
We didn't have enough backup last season, we then let the only other fit striker go. Whilst we spent big on Benteke, relying on that is absolutely crazy. Our recruitment has been pretty farcical since we came up, massive expenditure on mediocre players bar one or two. Holloway called it early doors that the infrastructure wasn't there and lessons should have been learned but haven't been. We are in this position because we have not moved on as a club, we have not recruited in the right areas at the right time and have relied heavily, season upon season, for a messiah to drag us out the brown stuff at the last minute. Sadly I think it has all caught up with us and when we go down, our top players will leave and the squad that is left will be championship standard, just like the one that got lucky promotion. You are bang on, but we are not down yet. Still in the mire by Christmas and it could be curtains for sure. One thing Parish has shown is he is seriously jammy - he has ballsed loads of things up for years and always somehow we seem to stay up. But this is the biggest test to his lucky streak, he really, really ballsed things up this time, with the transfer window, and FDB, its a huge body blow but maybe his jammy streak will continue. He is hopeless at transfers. We cant seem to sell our dead wood, and we foul up pursuits of players like no one else. He is pretty hopeless at hiring managers too, see De Boer, Frank. If you cant be good at recruiting players or managers, or selling players, thats a pretty crap chairman isnt it.
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 22 Oct 17 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You are bang on, but we are not down yet. Still in the mire by Christmas and it could be curtains for sure. One thing Parish has shown is he is seriously jammy - he has ballsed loads of things up for years and always somehow we seem to stay up. But this is the biggest test to his lucky streak, he really, really ballsed things up this time, with the transfer window, and FDB, its a huge body blow but maybe his jammy streak will continue. He is hopeless at transfers. We cant seem to sell our dead wood, and we foul up pursuits of players like no one else. He is pretty hopeless at hiring managers too, see De Boer, Frank. If you cant be good at recruiting players or managers, or selling players, thats a pretty crap chairman isnt it. We have been saying for years that SP is out of his depth but the only person who doesn't realise it is SP himself. Not an easy thing to run a PL club but we've survived by luck rather than from his expertise. I still can't believe so many mistakes were made over the summer.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Oct 17 4.06pm |
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Originally posted by Icepick Tony
We didn't have enough backup last season, we then let the only other fit striker go. Whilst we spent big on Benteke, relying on that is absolutely crazy. Our recruitment has been pretty farcical since we came up, massive expenditure on mediocre players bar one or two. Holloway called it early doors that the infrastructure wasn't there and lessons should have been learned but haven't been. We are in this position because we have not moved on as a club, we have not recruited in the right areas at the right time and have relied heavily, season upon season, for a messiah to drag us out the brown stuff at the last minute. Sadly I think it has all caught up with us and when we go down, our top players will leave and the squad that is left will be championship standard, just like the one that got lucky promotion. think your being a bit sensationalist with the relegation comments, were only 25% thru the season. im fully aware we are in a bit of a pickle with regards to strikers but we have to see out the next few games til bentekkers is back and go from there til january, then wickhams back, and another will be brought. its very easy to point fingers here there & everywhere but without stability on the manager front we cant move forward, we had that with pards, but now weve gotta wait until the next manager at least for that to happen again, or at least untill he gets hounded out.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 Oct 17 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
think your being a bit sensationalist with the relegation comments, were only 25% thru the season. im fully aware we are in a bit of a pickle with regards to strikers but we have to see out the next few games til bentekkers is back and go from there til january, then wickhams back, and another will be brought. its very easy to point fingers here there & everywhere but without stability on the manager front we cant move forward, we had that with pards, but now weve gotta wait until the next manager at least for that to happen again, or at least untill he gets hounded out. It's more the change in style of new manager and actually Pardew changing style as well without being prepared. If we kept with a similar style with Dyche or even just a manager with prem experience we wouldn't have fvcked up the summer, because the manager with promises coming wouldn't have let it happen. You can also smooth over the changing of managers with a decent recruitment set up but we don't have that so making as much in your favour manager wise is what we should've done but did the opposite. Jordan called this and was ridiculed by most fans on here and now look.
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| CPFC1965 Warrington 22 Oct 17 4.43pm |
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Reaching the FA cup final has been our downfall and not getting rid of Pardew sooner. We're all guilty of thinking we were better than we really are. The American investment hasn't helped as to accommodate them the other three have had to reduce their investment, given Parish complete control. Just seems that when there was 4 there was a plan and focus. Now there is crisis and short sightedness. I hope we have another few years in the top flight and become established as Stoke have done. We all know what we need player wise and we need it at the beginning of the window sadly our chairman will probably dither til the end.
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| Vaibow vancouver/croydon 22 Oct 17 4.56pm |
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The chairman's involvement Originally posted by Reknaw
Just what is it that keeps letting us down, every season? We’ve got a fantastic squad, great set of players, fantastic fans, well respected manager with a great history and career. Year after year pundits say ‘they won’t go down their squad is too good’. Yet year after year, we end up in a mess one way or another. Yes for the past 3 years we’ve somehow managed to survive, but pundits are correct, we should not be anywhere near relegation with a squad like ours. I just can not put my finger on what it is that is causing us to become in a mess each season one way or another. Please, please discuss and shed some light on this for me.
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| cpj Kent 22 Oct 17 4.58pm |
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We are now on the same points total after 9 games as we were on in our first season up. But at this stage we sacked Holloway. So we can still get out of this.
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| Icepick Tony Chester 22 Oct 17 5.02pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
think your being a bit sensationalist with the relegation comments, were only 25% thru the season. im fully aware we are in a bit of a pickle with regards to strikers but we have to see out the next few games til bentekkers is back and go from there til january, then wickhams back, and another will be brought. its very easy to point fingers here there & everywhere but without stability on the manager front we cant move forward, we had that with pards, but now weve gotta wait until the next manager at least for that to happen again, or at least untill he gets hounded out. Since 01 Jan 16 we have played 66 premier league games. Won 15, drawn 10 and lost 41. We now have 29 games to go and realistically need another 31 points and based on our form over those 66 games we're likely to pick up 7 wins and 4 draws losing the rest. That gives us a points total of 28. Our last 2 seasons we had (15/16) 15 points, (16/17) 11 points at the same stage, we now have 3. We have been going backwards for 18 months through poor decisions and not learning from them. Call me sensationalist but this has been coming and this summer could have stopped the rot had it been planned correctly but it wasn't.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Oct 17 5.06pm |
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It will take a monumental effort and a lot of breaks from Lady Luck to stay up now. The Chelsea result shows what is possible when you have both in tandem, but you can't always rely on being lucky. A point yesterday would have been another building block on the long road to recovery but once again a result was beyond us. What has let us down is the infrastructure of the club. We still look like a newly promoted team even in our 5th consecutive season. It's a shame, because after 51 seasons, I would like to have seen Palace look comfortable at the top level. But it's hardly a shock that once again we have as a club shot ourselves in the foot. If relegation becomes a reality, then I'm not sure where that leaves the current ownership. So I wouldn't be surprised if the club is in new hands next summer. And I think Parish will be a casualty in any new arrangement - and frankly I don't think that would necessarily be a bad thing.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Oct 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC1965
Reaching the FA cup final has been our downfall and not getting rid of Pardew sooner. We're all guilty of thinking we were better than we really are. The American investment hasn't helped as to accommodate them the other three have had to reduce their investment, given Parish complete control. Just seems that when there was 4 there was a plan and focus. Now there is crisis and short sightedness. I hope we have another few years in the top flight and become established as Stoke have done. We all know what we need player wise and we need it at the beginning of the window sadly our chairman will probably dither til the end. its not all down to pardew, how about the fact he was backed with just £10m net spend after keeping us up 2 years on the trot & making the cup final.
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