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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Is anyone suggesting that an attack on a gay pub was due to anti-Islamic motives? No I'm saying that the far right and far right terrorism has always been there, and that they specifically fly under the radar. I don't really care what someone believes if they're bombing a pub, or who is drinking in that pub. They're a murdering c**t. Politics don't justify murder in the UK - No one is really fighting for their freedom from oppression. Doesn't matter who the bomber is, or who they kill, they're the c**ts responsible.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, it's not as though we want extremists in the military is it? Its probably true though, we don't want extremists in the military. At least not those with extreme political views anyhow. Some of the Irish Republican movements encouraged a members to serve in the Military during WWII. They were opposed to fascism, but more importantly it was about getting training, access to logistics and people who knew how the enemy operated.
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its probably true though, we don't want extremists in the military. At least not those with extreme political views anyhow. Some of the Irish Republican movements encouraged a members to serve in the Military during WWII. They were opposed to fascism, but more importantly it was about getting training, access to logistics and people who knew how the enemy operated. I disagree. A military who are snobs is a ridiculous military. It should be about how good you are at your job. This idea that the far right can't have access to jobs. I would say that the military is probably a better place for them. If they follow orders then I'd rather that then them fiddling their thumbs fermenting their resentments. Shall we remove all the communists as well from their jobs. A few on this forum would perhaps be on the dole. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 11.12am)
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Sep 17 11.23am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No I'm saying that the far right and far right terrorism has always been there, and that they specifically fly under the radar. I don't really care what someone believes if they're bombing a pub, or who is drinking in that pub. They're a murdering c**t. Politics don't justify murder in the UK - No one is really fighting for their freedom from oppression. Doesn't matter who the bomber is, or who they kill, they're the c**ts responsible. Like when the ANC bombed restaurants in South Africa you mean? Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Sep 2017 11.23am)
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matt_himself Matataland 07 Sep 17 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The military is there to follow orders exactly. If these people were working against the state then fair enough. But from what I've seen they are far right, not anti state. But apparently that's not possible it seems. If, as has been reported, that they were planning attacks, thus targeting people and property in Britain, would this not be against the state? I believe that if they were planning to break laws in this manner then they are anti-state. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2017 11.58am)
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
If, as has been reported, that they were planning attacks, thus targeting people and property in Britain, would this not be against the state? I believe that if they were planning to break laws in this manner then they are anti-state. Edited by matt_himself (07 Sep 2017 11.58am) If that is true, then this is a good thing and it's just the state doing its job. If it isn't, then it's not a good thing and witch hunting for propaganda purposes. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 12.03pm)
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sitdownstandup 07 Sep 17 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's like every day is a day of wonder for you Nick. Far right extremism is only going to increase in this country as the number of Islamic attacks increase. I've only been saying this for months on this forum...but hey....I suppose it isn't an article written on some 'progressive' blog is it. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2017 11.39pm) won't the rise in far right extremism also increase the rise in extremist groups opposing them too? Edited by sitdownstandup (07 Sep 2017 12.02pm)
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sitdownstandup 07 Sep 17 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Repulsive whichever side it comes from Yep... agreed. both sides of extremism are as bad as each other.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
The response of several posters on here reaffirms again what we already knew in terms of how they view neo-fascistic national socialist sympathisers,here or in the US.. Ho hum. Edited by legaleagle (07 Sep 2017 9.09am) Ah, the usual thinly veiled accusations from the usual people with an axe to grind. THe issue here is not approval, it is proportion. But warning against mass immigration was daft wasn't it?
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Stirlingsays 07 Sep 17 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
won't the rise in far right extremism also increase the rise in extremist groups opposing them too? Edited by sitdownstandup (07 Sep 2017 12.02pm) Any group using violence against the state and its citizens/subjects has to be stopped. The use of force has to have an elected mandate as we are a democracy. However, the rise in the far right is inevitable. You are right, both feed each other. When bodies hit the floor from attacks it's inevitable within any society. Without reform....which would be difficult anyway. Then as the Islamic population increases as a national percentage then logically so will the number of attacks increase. Extremists willing to murder will always be a small number proportionally....but that's all you need. These are essentially political decisions made a long time ago from idealism and ignorance that are now in a practical sense unstoppable for this and coming generations. It extra pisses me off because I have two toddlers who will have to live with this. Currently we have 600 active M15 operations ongoing. We have significantly over 20, 000 extremists on watch lists. The vast majority of all of these are Islamic. Only those with their heads in the sand paper over the reality.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Sep 17 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I disagree. A military who are snobs is a ridiculous military. It should be about how good you are at your job. This idea that the far right can't have access to jobs. I would say that the military is probably a better place for them. If they follow orders then I'd rather that then them fiddling their thumbs fermenting their resentments. Shall we remove all the communists as well from their jobs. A few on this forum would perhaps be on the dole. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Sep 2017 11.12am) Thing is, that a) they're aren't many communists out there, and b) these days the UK Left are mostly democratic in their pursuits. It must be nearly 45 years since there was a real act of left wing terrorism committed in the UK, by the Angry Brigade who bombed the Post Office Tower. Outside of Irish Republican terrorism such as the INLA the UK has only really seen far left violence linked to protests rather than terrorism. Even the Angry Brigade in its short life, only left one person very slightly injured. They far left just doesn't have the same history of violence and threat to the UK citizens that's seen with the Far Right, and isn't politically violent in the same way as say the National Front or National Action. Where as we have seen acts and attempted acts of terrorism from the far right, admittedly these don't seem to be prolific, but they do seem to be fairly constant. Had the UK had the same kind of situation with the far left that Germany and Italy have had (ala Baader-Meinhoff and Brigade Russo I'd agree), but it hasn't really, arguably the Animal Liberation Front has been more prolific as a terrorist threat in the UK than the far left. The far left in the UK as a 'Street Movement' has been dead for about 25 years.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Sep 17 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
won't the rise in far right extremism also increase the rise in extremist groups opposing them too? Edited by sitdownstandup (07 Sep 2017 12.02pm) To put it in it's simplest terms. Within the next two centuries, 'White' people will represent only 10% of the world's population.
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