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Russ62a Redhill, sometimes 21 Aug 17 6.33pm | |
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Originally posted by hastingseagle67
Said he can't understand how some teams are spending within the confines of FFP. Wondering if since Platini has gone, certain teams have decided to simply ignore the rules. Henry Winter suggested it might all come out eventually. Something certainly doesn't add up for me with the FFP arguement being put forward by our club. Been in the "big league" all this time and only spent 8m this window. I know it's about wages too but others seem to be doing it just fine
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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 21 Aug 17 7.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Russ62a
Something certainly doesn't add up for me with the FFP arguement being put forward by our club. Been in the "big league" all this time and only spent 8m this window. I know it's about wages too but others seem to be doing it just fine It looks like we had a net spend of £41,500,000 last season (some people seem to think we were break even). On BBC Talksport, SP made it sound like the owners were talking about kicking more money in to make some buys, we just don't have the revenue or budget of the big boys. We are about 8th, net in terms of spend, and we sure aren't 8th in revenue. So no wonder we have to tap the brakes. [Link] We've only really sold Bolasie for big money. And I'm glad we've kept Zaha despite interest. I figure FDB is working with a £20-30M Budget, with anything higher needing new investment from the owners. The only market seems to be for Cabaye and Townsend, and I'd rather lose Cabaye if someone will pay £10M for a player who will be 32 in January, so I'm doubtful. And that's not even touching the ever-increasing wage expectations. Hard to do this mid-table business!
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Mr Palaceman 21 Aug 17 7.55pm | |
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Originally posted by ThatPetrolRelation
It looks like we had a net spend of £41,500,000 last season (some people seem to think we were break even). On BBC Talksport, SP made it sound like the owners were talking about kicking more money in to make some buys, we just don't have the revenue or budget of the big boys. We are about 8th, net in terms of spend, and we sure aren't 8th in revenue. So no wonder we have to tap the brakes. [Link] We've only really sold Bolasie for big money. And I'm glad we've kept Zaha despite interest. I figure FDB is working with a £20-30M Budget, with anything higher needing new investment from the owners. The only market seems to be for Cabaye and Townsend, and I'd rather lose Cabaye if someone will pay £10M for a player who will be 32 in January, so I'm doubtful. And that's not even touching the ever-increasing wage expectations. Hard to do this mid-table business! Good post.. Although, I think I would sell Townsend to get another player in. I like Townsend and think on his day he is class but he has never really settled here, imo and is inconsistant at times. I understand that he's on big money also. Cabaye is also class but injuries and fitness are an issue I think. I love him but it reminds me of the Ambrose situation. He was called a luxury player.
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Tommyp151211 21 Aug 17 8.09pm | |
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Funny how Parish never mentioned the SD appointment isn't it ...
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Russ62a Redhill, sometimes 21 Aug 17 8.34pm | |
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Originally posted by ThatPetrolRelation
It looks like we had a net spend of £41,500,000 last season (some people seem to think we were break even). On BBC Talksport, SP made it sound like the owners were talking about kicking more money in to make some buys, we just don't have the revenue or budget of the big boys. We are about 8th, net in terms of spend, and we sure aren't 8th in revenue. So no wonder we have to tap the brakes. [Link] We've only really sold Bolasie for big money. And I'm glad we've kept Zaha despite interest. I figure FDB is working with a £20-30M Budget, with anything higher needing new investment from the owners. The only market seems to be for Cabaye and Townsend, and I'd rather lose Cabaye if someone will pay £10M for a player who will be 32 in January, so I'm doubtful. And that's not even touching the ever-increasing wage expectations. Hard to do this mid-table business! Good reply but something I still don't get - surely if FFP is about turnover, then more money from shareholders doesn't help if we are up against the buffers on the turnover side of the equation. Unless we can get a shareholder to sponsor the stadium, academy or ladies team for a fortune maybe!
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NickinOX Sailing country. 21 Aug 17 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Russ62a
Good reply but something I still don't get - surely if FFP is about turnover, then more money from shareholders doesn't help if we are up against the buffers on the turnover side of the equation. Unless we can get a shareholder to sponsor the stadium, academy or ladies team for a fortune maybe! They are allowed to put money into the club (I don't get all the actual details, but it requires them writing off the extra cash somehow), otherwise the club can only increase spending by a set amount plus non tv revenue. As such, the increase in tv money people go on about does not make a huge difference in terms of where we sit re the cap. The Guardian, I think it was, had a very good explanation of the whole thing last year.
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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 21 Aug 17 9.55pm | |
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Yeah, basically there is a spending cap per team determined by the share of TV money and prize money. Then on top, teams can also spend their other money (sponsorship, money from games days, shirt sales etc). It's been a while since I looked at numbers, but a few years ago Palace had around £20M in other revenue, and other more established mid-table teams had about £40M (this was Everton, Hammers, Villa and Newcastle --so that tells you something right there.) FPP works on a 3-year average, so if you overspend one year (think January) you need to re-balance the books, or face fines (like Bournemouth), or FIFA penalties. The big difference is around selling and buying a player. When you sell a player --say we sold Townsend for £15M-- you book that total revenue for that year. When you buy a player, you spread the cost over the contact (say 5 years.) So if we then bought John Doe for the same price, we would actually only book a cost of £3M per year over 5 years. So it's the amortized cost over 5 years that would show in the books. So it comes down to accounting, but money from player sales gives you much more flexibility. Anyway, long answer to a short question, but there was a good summary of Palace done at Swiss Ramble last year, which covers the financials well without required an accountant's degree:
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TheExpatEagle 21 Aug 17 11.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Nobbybm
That is not what he actually said and is way out of context. To sum up, he said three incoming in an ideal world if we can financially manage it but some may have to go to make room & make it happen. He also mentioned players "you are not going to be using" inferring that a big part of the outgoing situation is to free up wages - it developed into the wider FFP conversation. If you listen to the whole show & join up the Palace bits it's far more positive than a couple of partial quotes. It's here: [Link] I already that that this morning and put the audio on my podcast account. It isn't positive in my opinion.
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TheExpatEagle 22 Aug 17 12.00am | |
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Originally posted by Russ62a
Something certainly doesn't add up for me with the FFP arguement being put forward by our club. Been in the "big league" all this time and only spent 8m this window. I know it's about wages too but others seem to be doing it just fine People seem to forget we spend £25m of the summer budget back in January. Back then we made £30m of signings and up to £5m in loan fees.
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Tommyp151211 22 Aug 17 12.46am | |
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^^ That's the problem.
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NickinOX Sailing country. 22 Aug 17 12.54am | |
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Originally posted by ThatPetrolRelation
Yeah, basically there is a spending cap per team determined by the share of TV money and prize money. Then on top, teams can also spend their other money (sponsorship, money from games days, shirt sales etc). It's been a while since I looked at numbers, but a few years ago Palace had around £20M in other revenue, and other more established mid-table teams had about £40M (this was Everton, Hammers, Villa and Newcastle --so that tells you something right there.) FPP works on a 3-year average, so if you overspend one year (think January) you need to re-balance the books, or face fines (like Bournemouth), or FIFA penalties. The big difference is around selling and buying a player. When you sell a player --say we sold Townsend for £15M-- you book that total revenue for that year. When you buy a player, you spread the cost over the contact (say 5 years.) So if we then bought John Doe for the same price, we would actually only book a cost of £3M per year over 5 years. So it's the amortized cost over 5 years that would show in the books. So it comes down to accounting, but money from player sales gives you much more flexibility. Anyway, long answer to a short question, but there was a good summary of Palace done at Swiss Ramble last year, which covers the financials well without required an accountant's degree:
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majorkaios Trowbridge, Wilts 22 Aug 17 1.29am | |
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Originally posted by ThatPetrolRelation
Yeah, basically there is a spending cap per team determined by the share of TV money and prize money. Then on top, teams can also spend their other money (sponsorship, money from games days, shirt sales etc). It's been a while since I looked at numbers, but a few years ago Palace had around £20M in other revenue, and other more established mid-table teams had about £40M (this was Everton, Hammers, Villa and Newcastle --so that tells you something right there.) FPP works on a 3-year average, so if you overspend one year (think January) you need to re-balance the books, or face fines (like Bournemouth), or FIFA penalties. The big difference is around selling and buying a player. When you sell a player --say we sold Townsend for £15M-- you book that total revenue for that year. When you buy a player, you spread the cost over the contact (say 5 years.) So if we then bought John Doe for the same price, we would actually only book a cost of £3M per year over 5 years. So it's the amortized cost over 5 years that would show in the books. So it comes down to accounting, but money from player sales gives you much more flexibility. Anyway, long answer to a short question, but there was a good summary of Palace done at Swiss Ramble last year, which covers the financials well without required an accountant's degree:
So as a guess We probably have less than 20-25M in cash terms on hand to play with. Plus whaterver we can add with sales ?
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