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Den1923 14 Aug 17 8.32pm
Originally posted by Nobbybm The fact that he won more aerial battles than anyone else in the EPL this weekend should make you think that maybe, just maybe, he could do with some support...........like Mounie had. Look at any side playing 3-4-3 and it's clear the (attacking) intention is to have the main striker as a focal point, not simply a goal scorer - it gives him support & options (when done correctly). yes but Mounie was much more mobile and industries, he worked defenders when he did not have the ball created spaces for other and he even had enough energy to help out in defence when required. CB maybe he is good in the air but 12 corners and not one converted would seem to suggest he is not that brilliant and more to the point his ground skills are zero so for me not the complete striker and certainly not worth 27mil!
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Den1923

14 Aug 17 8.32pm

Originally posted by Nobbybm

The fact that he won more aerial battles than anyone else in the EPL this weekend should make you think that maybe, just maybe, he could do with some support...........like Mounie had.

Look at any side playing 3-4-3 and it's clear the (attacking) intention is to have the main striker as a focal point, not simply a goal scorer - it gives him support & options (when done correctly).

yes but Mounie was much more mobile and industries, he worked defenders when he did not have the ball created spaces for other and he even had enough energy to help out in defence when required. CB maybe he is good in the air but 12 corners and not one converted would seem to suggest he is not that brilliant and more to the point his ground skills are zero so for me not the complete striker and certainly not worth 27mil!

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 14 Aug 17 8.56pm
Originally posted by Den1923 yes but Mounie was much more mobile and industries, he worked defenders when he did not have the ball created spaces for other and he even had enough energy to help out in defence when required. CB maybe he is good in the air but 12 corners and not one converted would seem to suggest he is not that brilliant and more to the point his ground skills are zero so for me not the complete striker and certainly not worth 27mil! So Den, your strategy is sell him? Ok maybe we will get £25m. Who do you replace him with? And I would like a comparable. So an experienced international with lots of PL experience and guaranteed to score goals. Can you give us your suggestions and probable prices? Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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kevlee

born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 14 Aug 17 8.56pm

Originally posted by Den1923

So Den, your strategy is sell him? Ok maybe we will get £25m. Who do you replace him with? And I would like a comparable. So an experienced international with lots of PL experience and guaranteed to score goals. Can you give us your suggestions and probable prices?

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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gaz1959 Bamford Lancashire 14 Aug 17 9.06pm
Originally posted by kevlee So basically, Benteke should ditch his primary (and widely recognised) asset - aerial power- and adapt to the experiment? Fine. In that case why not just sell him to a team that wants to play to those strengths and buy a striker whose primary strengths are on the ground? That would avoid everyone slagging off Beneteke for not changing his natural playing style and satisfy FDB's ego/grand plan. I think CB is one of the best headers in the PL - get those crosses in from the wings and he will score. Agree 100% we need to be able to play different systems but square pegs in round holes doesn't work let's go to 433 we understand it it works and have they players if and when we have the points experiment.
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gaz1959

Bamford Lancashire 14 Aug 17 9.06pm

Originally posted by kevlee

So basically, Benteke should ditch his primary (and widely recognised) asset - aerial power- and adapt to the experiment? Fine.
In that case why not just sell him to a team that wants to play to those strengths and buy a striker whose primary strengths are on the ground?
That would avoid everyone slagging off Beneteke for not changing his natural playing style and satisfy FDB's ego/grand plan.
I think CB is one of the best headers in the PL - get those crosses in from the wings and he will score.

Agree 100% we need to be able to play different systems but square pegs in round holes doesn't work let's go to 433 we understand it it works and have they players if and when we have the points experiment.

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bashy2 London 14 Aug 17 9.25pm
I totally agree with what CB has said about the new formation its a new system maybe but Chelsea adapted very quickly last season to it and won the title lots of teams in the premiere league now play it and the players are paid handsomely enough its like starting a new job takes a couple of weeks to get used too and they have been playing it now sin e pre season so us CB has said get used to it and no excuses
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bashy2

London 14 Aug 17 9.25pm

I totally agree with what CB has said about the new formation its a new system maybe but Chelsea adapted very quickly last season to it and won the title lots of teams in the premiere league now play it and the players are paid handsomely enough its like starting a new job takes a couple of weeks to get used too and they have been playing it now sin e pre season so us CB has said get used to it and no excuses

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dynamicdick Dormansland 14 Aug 17 9.51pm
Originally posted by kevlee So Den, your strategy is sell him? Ok maybe we will get £25m. Who do you replace him with? And I would like a comparable. So an experienced international with lots of PL experience and guaranteed to score goals. Can you give us your suggestions and probable prices? Kevlee's post is spot on for starters. Who said anything about selling Benteke more about telling him to up his work rate and make things happen rather than waiting for them. Can't afford luxuries when you need to work as a team! Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 14 Aug 17 9.51pm

Originally posted by kevlee

Kevlee's post is spot on for starters.

Who said anything about selling Benteke more about telling him to up his work rate and make things happen rather than waiting for them. Can't afford luxuries when you need to work as a team!

Bring back Brolin

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Kant exeter 14 Aug 17 10.05pm
We may have had 12 corners but how many of them got past the first defender? Can hardly blame CB for not converting! PVA in particular needs to put in some work on his corner taking this week.
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Kant

exeter 14 Aug 17 10.05pm

We may have had 12 corners but how many of them got past the first defender? Can hardly blame CB for not converting! PVA in particular needs to put in some work on his corner taking this week.

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Den1923 15 Aug 17 10.13am
Originally posted by kevlee So Den, your strategy is sell him? Ok maybe we will get £25m. Who do you replace him with? And I would like a comparable. So an experienced international with lots of PL experience and guaranteed to score goals. Can you give us your suggestions and probable prices? You ask are very valid question and the answer is I do not know but then that is not my job and thereby you also open a can of worms because if SP was less controlling and we had a decent set-up like Soton with a decent director of Football (Les Reed) then we would know who to target from our intelligence files sadly we do not, we have brought in several strikers over the last few years and non of them have been that great either due to being injury prone, lack the fitness or not having the ability required. There are good strikers out there and available both in Europe and in Scottish football as well as the feeder leagues. As an example there is Jackson Martinez at Porto who has scored 80 goals in three seasons but although available is probably out of our league especially so because SP is more concerned about up dating the ground and the value of the fixed assets than consolidating our position in the PL. What is the point of increasing ground capacity if we are in free fall back towards the championship that will surely happen as currently we have 8mil invested in one unproven player and a couple of temporary loan signing who are here for more experience but other that we have the same first team as last term. What we need to do is to start winning home games as a record of 26 wins for 77 home PL matches is just not acceptable.
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Den1923

15 Aug 17 10.13am

Originally posted by kevlee

You ask are very valid question and the answer is I do not know but then that is not my job and thereby you also open a can of worms because if SP was less controlling and we had a decent set-up like Soton with a decent director of Football (Les Reed) then we would know who to target from our intelligence files sadly we do not, we have brought in several strikers over the last few years and non of them have been that great either due to being injury prone, lack the fitness or not having the ability required. There are good strikers out there and available both in Europe and in Scottish football as well as the feeder leagues. As an example there is Jackson Martinez at Porto who has scored 80 goals in three seasons but although available is probably out of our league
especially so because SP is more concerned about up dating the ground and the value of the fixed assets than consolidating our position in the PL. What is the point of increasing ground capacity if we are in free fall back towards the championship that will surely happen as currently we have 8mil invested in one unproven player and a couple of temporary loan signing who are here for more experience but other that we have the same first team as last term. What we need to do is to start winning home games as a record of 26 wins for 77 home PL matches is just not acceptable.

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Pete53 Hassocks 15 Aug 17 12.39pm
I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air. However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke? Surely we need more up our sleeves than that. The same used to be said of Gayle, that we didn't play to his strengths, but how far do you go in adapting to the needs of one player, and one who has limitations? To me it seems that you are making yourselves very one-dimensional and predictable.
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Pete53

Hassocks 15 Aug 17 12.39pm

I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air.

However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke?

Surely we need more up our sleeves than that. The same used to be said of Gayle, that we didn't play to his strengths, but how far do you go in adapting to the needs of one player, and one who has limitations? To me it seems that you are making yourselves very one-dimensional and predictable.

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Den1923 15 Aug 17 1.05pm
Originally posted by Pete53 I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air. However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke? Surely we need more up our sleeves than that. The same used to be said of Gayle, that we didn't play to his strengths, but how far do you go in adapting to the needs of one player, and one who has limitations? To me it seems that you are making yourselves very one-dimensional and predictable. Pete, you are so right in what you say, clearly CB is not going to score 2/3 goals every game which is needed with the current defence and until we can stop teams scoring against us we are going to struggle, on Saturday we needed to score four goals to win at home against a team that were favourites before the game to go down and probably will be in the relegation fight ahead with us this season but they already have a three point advantage thanks to sloppy defending and little penetration going forward!
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Den1923

15 Aug 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Pete53

I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air.

However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke?

Pete, you are so right in what you say, clearly CB is not going to score 2/3 goals every game which is needed with the current defence and until we can stop teams scoring against us we are going to struggle, on Saturday we needed to score four goals to win at home against a team that were favourites before the game to go down and probably will be in the relegation fight ahead with us this season but they already have a three point advantage thanks to sloppy defending and little penetration going forward!

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bexleydave Barnehurst 15 Aug 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by Pete53 I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air. However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke? Surely we need more up our sleeves than that. The same used to be said of Gayle, that we didn't play to his strengths, but how far do you go in adapting to the needs of one player, and one who has limitations? To me it seems that you are making yourselves very one-dimensional and predictable. If it means we can get some points on the board and avoid yet another relegation battle, then the answer to that question has to be Hell yes! We had a system that was starting to work well in the second half of last season (especially when Sakho was available) and Sam left us in a decent position, both squad, fitness and confidence wise. We should have either purchased Sakho or a suitable replacement before the season started and FIRST build on what we had before starting to pretty things up. Instead we've torn up everything that Sam did and turned ourselves into a bunch of rabbits caught in the headlights, with no clue whatsoever what we're meant to be doing, and it's only taken us six weeks to put ourselves into this powerful position. Every manager worthy of the name, in any field you care to mention, starts by making the best use of the personnel they have and then strengthens the workforce with judicious changes and gradually moulds the team to the way he or she thinks will work best. Regrettably I've seen nothing yet to convince me that Frank has any of those qualities. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 15 Aug 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by Pete53

I can't deny the value of the goals that CB scored last season, nor his superiority in the air.

However, some posters are saying we don't play to his strength, but do we really want to base our attacking policy solely on the strategy of getting crosses to Benteke?

Surely we need more up our sleeves than that. The same used to be said of Gayle, that we didn't play to his strengths, but how far do you go in adapting to the needs of one player, and one who has limitations? To me it seems that you are making yourselves very one-dimensional and predictable.

If it means we can get some points on the board and avoid yet another relegation battle, then the answer to that question has to be Hell yes!

We had a system that was starting to work well in the second half of last season (especially when Sakho was available) and Sam left us in a decent position, both squad, fitness and confidence wise. We should have either purchased Sakho or a suitable replacement before the season started and FIRST build on what we had before starting to pretty things up.

Instead we've torn up everything that Sam did and turned ourselves into a bunch of rabbits caught in the headlights, with no clue whatsoever what we're meant to be doing, and it's only taken us six weeks to put ourselves into this powerful position.

Every manager worthy of the name, in any field you care to mention, starts by making the best use of the personnel they have and then strengthens the workforce with judicious changes and gradually moulds the team to the way he or she thinks will work best. Regrettably I've seen nothing yet to convince me that Frank has any of those qualities.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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I'mPalace Till I Die 15 Aug 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by bexleydave If it means we can get some points on the board and avoid yet another relegation battle, then the answer to that question has to be Hell yes! We had a system that was starting to work well in the second half of last season (especially when Sakho was available) and Sam left us in a decent position, both squad, fitness and confidence wise. We should have either purchased Sakho or a suitable replacement before the season started and FIRST build on what we had before starting to pretty things up. Instead we've torn up everything that Sam did and turned ourselves into a bunch of rabbits caught in the headlights, with no clue whatsoever what we're meant to be doing, and it's only taken us six weeks to put ourselves into this powerful position. Every manager worthy of the name, in any field you care to mention, starts by making the best use of the personnel they have and then strengthens the workforce with judicious changes and gradually moulds the team to the way he or she thinks will work best. Regrettably I've seen nothing yet to convince me that Frank has any of those qualities. He even said he was going to change it gradually as well, which is why I am so surprised we have had such an overhaul. It's a bit concerning he said that on day 1 and then decided we are ready for a 3-4-3 with a 19 year and 20 year old making their debuts at the back
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Originally posted by bexleydave

If it means we can get some points on the board and avoid yet another relegation battle, then the answer to that question has to be Hell yes!

He even said he was going to change it gradually as well, which is why I am so surprised we have had such an overhaul. It's a bit concerning he said that on day 1 and then decided we are ready for a 3-4-3 with a 19 year and 20 year old making their debuts at the back

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matthau South Croydon 15 Aug 17 2.34pm
just cos hes tall and great in the air doesn't mean he cant play in a pass and move team Dion Dublin, Man Utd Dzeko, Man City Chris woods, Leeds Niall Quinn, Man city point is, passing sides can have target men styled players too, and it can work, they just got to mix it a bit within the game here and there. If anything, having a tall target man playing in a pass and move possession based side can confuse the hell out of the opposition, they'll never know when that lump it moment will occur, rather than like last season, all they had to try and do would be to stop crosses coming in.
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matthau

South Croydon 15 Aug 17 2.34pm

just cos hes tall and great in the air doesn't mean he cant play in a pass and move team

Dion Dublin, Man Utd
Dzeko, Man City
Chris woods, Leeds
Niall Quinn, Man city

point is, passing sides can have target men styled players too, and it can work, they just got to mix it a bit within the game here and there.

If anything, having a tall target man playing in a pass and move possession based side can confuse the hell out of the opposition, they'll never know when that lump it moment will occur, rather than like last season, all they had to try and do would be to stop crosses coming in.

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