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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Their very attendance at an NF rally guaranteed violence and they knew that. I don't see counter demos as defending people. It is political pure and simple. The National Front would specifically march through areas which had high migrant populations. Who do you think was doing the provoking of whom. The NF etc were proper racists and violence followed them everywhere. The NF weren't interested in peaceful protest, or democratic change, they were the classic 'fascist vanguard of street fighters'. There was always going to be trouble, whether there was an anti-Nazi league - the ANL formed because of incidents of violence by the far right bringing different groups together. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Aug 17 2.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Their very attendance at an NF rally guaranteed violence and they knew that. I don't see counter demos as defending people. It is political pure and simple.

The National Front would specifically march through areas which had high migrant populations. Who do you think was doing the provoking of whom. The NF etc were proper racists and violence followed them everywhere.

The NF weren't interested in peaceful protest, or democratic change, they were the classic 'fascist vanguard of street fighters'.

There was always going to be trouble, whether there was an anti-Nazi league - the ANL formed because of incidents of violence by the far right bringing different groups together.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well they managed to get close to UKIPs recent zenith percentage vote in local elections back in the mid 70's. Around 10%. Not insignificant. They had a hell of a lot of press coverage too. Best they were nipped in the bud just in case. Populism and all that. Can lead to daft voting. The 10% was not marching or bashing people. They were a protest vote against immigration as was the UKIP vote in part. UKIP obviously had Brexit as well.
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Originally posted by Kermit8

Well they managed to get close to UKIPs recent zenith percentage vote in local elections back in the mid 70's. Around 10%. Not insignificant. They had a hell of a lot of press coverage too. Best they were nipped in the bud just in case. Populism and all that. Can lead to daft voting.

The 10% was not marching or bashing people. They were a protest vote against immigration as was the UKIP vote in part. UKIP obviously had Brexit as well.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 3.38pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The National Front would specifically march through areas which had high migrant populations. Who do you think was doing the provoking of whom. The NF etc were proper racists and violence followed them everywhere. The NF weren't interested in peaceful protest, or democratic change, they were the classic 'fascist vanguard of street fighters'. There was always going to be trouble, whether there was an anti-Nazi league - the ANL formed because of incidents of violence by the far right bringing different groups together. And that was a job for the police. What we have here is two groups using ideology as an excuse for violence. It reminds me of the episode of Star Trek with the half black and half white men, but opposites, who destroy their planet because they can't see that they are two sides of the same problem.
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14 Aug 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The National Front would specifically march through areas which had high migrant populations. Who do you think was doing the provoking of whom. The NF etc were proper racists and violence followed them everywhere.

The NF weren't interested in peaceful protest, or democratic change, they were the classic 'fascist vanguard of street fighters'.

There was always going to be trouble, whether there was an anti-Nazi league - the ANL formed because of incidents of violence by the far right bringing different groups together.

And that was a job for the police.

What we have here is two groups using ideology as an excuse for violence.
It reminds me of the episode of Star Trek with the half black and half white men, but opposites, who destroy their planet because they can't see that they are two sides of the same problem.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 17 3.41pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The electorate does not vote for the far right or the far left in any significant numbers. A problem is that it is seen by many to be more or less ok to be far left, but totally unacceptable to be far right. They are the two sides of the same coin - both to be abhorred. You call Corbyn far left! Edited by nickgusset (14 Aug 2017 3.41pm)
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

The electorate does not vote for the far right or the far left in any significant numbers. A problem is that it is seen by many to be more or less ok to be far left, but totally unacceptable to be far right. They are the two sides of the same coin - both to be abhorred.

You call Corbyn far left!

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 3.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You call Corbyn far left! Edited by nickgusset (14 Aug 2017 3.41pm) I call him a manhole cover hugging nob head. And that should be a question mark teach'.
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14 Aug 17 3.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You call Corbyn far left!

Edited by nickgusset (14 Aug 2017 3.41pm)

I call him a manhole cover hugging nob head.

And that should be a question mark teach'.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Aug 17 4.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And that was a job for the police. What we have here is two groups using ideology as an excuse for violence. It reminds me of the episode of Star Trek with the half black and half white men, but opposites, who destroy their planet because they can't see that they are two sides of the same problem. Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race. No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Aug 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And that was a job for the police.

Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race.

No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race. No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities. A lot of the police in The Met in the late 70's and early to mid-80's were the ultra right. They carried their Conservative Party memberships cards proudly. The SPG were nice though. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 4.15pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Yeah, you really weren't there - The police in the 80s and early 90s weren't doing so well in their curbing of far right violence - and had a p8ss poor reputation in regards to race.

No one trusted them. Not the Left, not the Right, and most certainly not the Black, Indian and Asian British communities.

A lot of the police in The Met in the late 70's and early to mid-80's were the ultra right. They carried their Conservative Party memberships cards proudly. The SPG were nice though.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 4.15pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 A lot of the police in The Met in the late 70's and early to mid-80's were the ultra right. They carried their Conservative Party memberships cards proudly. The SPG were nice though. Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 4.15pm) What evidence do you have for this? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Originally posted by Kermit8

A lot of the police in The Met in the late 70's and early to mid-80's were the ultra right. They carried their Conservative Party memberships cards proudly. The SPG were nice though.

Edited by Kermit8 (14 Aug 2017 4.15pm)

What evidence do you have for this?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Aug 17 4.37pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What evidence do you have for this? My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 14 Aug 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What evidence do you have for this?

My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link]

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Aug 17 4.49pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link] From the, ahem! 'Independent' ha ha. Anecdote and political bias.
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14 Aug 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link]

From the, ahem! 'Independent' ha ha.

Anecdote and political bias.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Aug 17 5.03pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link] So no evidence then. You were there? How old were you then about 9? As for an article in the laughingly names 'Independant' newspaper (that is now merely on-line because it was so f'in boring and biased). The police at Lewisham were attacked by the left contingents of the mobs that chose to confront each other. Just trying to keep a bit of law and order but you cheer on those attacking them. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 14 Aug 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

My eyes and ears and the fact i was there. As you have forgotten this article may help you remember [Link]

So no evidence then.

You were there? How old were you then about 9? As for an article in the laughingly names 'Independant' newspaper (that is now merely on-line because it was so f'in boring and biased).

The police at Lewisham were attacked by the left contingents of the mobs that chose to confront each other. Just trying to keep a bit of law and order but you cheer on those attacking them.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 17 5.09pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What evidence do you have for this? Thatcher gave them a big pay rise
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Shizzlehurst 14 Aug 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What evidence do you have for this?

Thatcher gave them a big pay rise

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