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FairweatherEagle London 13 Aug 17 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by FinchleyEagle
For me, De Boer does not yet understand Crystal Palace and is trying to change too much too quickly, without having the players to do it, or possibly the coaching acumen. The same thing happened to Pardew. Pulis is a massively underrated manager and certainly here because of the acrimonious nature of his departure. That aside, at every club he's been at, he's looked at the players he has and plays to the individual and collective strength, then gradually imposes where he wants to go with new signings. It's not rocket science but is surprisingly rare. Allardyce had a simple approach that can be implemented at pretty much any prem club. That's why he's never been relegated. De Boer needs to learn in double-quick time what he's got (a very good squad) and how to get the best out of them and get results. Over time he can refine while hopefully still getting enough results, but not straight away. I can only presume he hasn't done his homework on Palace, either last season or since we've been in the prem, which is such a shocking thought I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't seem to know that Townsend is one of our best players, Ward is a good player but never a wing back and we are not comfortable in possession in front of our own box - although few are in this time of chasing players down. I hope he rectifies quickly, it's ok to make mistakes, especially at the beginning, but to not adapt would be unforgiveable. Great post, nicely balanced.
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Mstrobez 13 Aug 17 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot
My thoughts exactly. Some of the over reacting on here has been comical. Yes it was embarrassing and not nice to watch at all but it was the first game!! We are playing a new system. It will take time... In Frank we trust. You wanna see some of the reactions on twitter. People hurling abuse at Frank on Instagram etc. "Best fans in England" my backside, we are an as fickle group as they come.
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Dangermouse Hastings 13 Aug 17 2.22pm | |
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Not the best league, but definitely the most competitive and physical. Football is not outlawed though as Arsenal have proved over the years. Difference is in England we don't stand off and watch teams play like they do in Europe. Pep found out last season and FdB has to learn from his misfortunes at City and his own yesterday.
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Dangermouse Hastings 13 Aug 17 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
After an extremely poor result and performance I'm gonna put an opinion out that I know will prove unpopular but here goes. In England, we delude ourselves senseless that we have the best league in the world. We go on about how much harder it is in england in comparison to Spain and Germany but our top teams never compete in Europe. We constantly talk down a possession based style of play, despite the fact that the best teams in the world play with this style and produce some of the most entertaining and successful teams and players in the world. A new manager comes to the premier league, say a Pep or Van Gaal and instantly everyone calls them out to fail because "it doesn't work in the premier league". And the minute there is a bad result, the media and the fans are on progressive type managers like a pack of wolves with the "I told you so's" "you ain't in Spain/Holland/Germany/Italy anymore pal" etc etc. No one ever stops to see the bigger picture, everyone wants instant results and success, regardless of longevity. Regardless of building anything in the long term. Regardless of whether or not overall they could build a more successful team that actually wins consistently or continentally. It's all now now now. The consequence of this is teams like Chelsea, playing a s***ty brand of football, winning the league and then the next season not even coming close to doing anything, getting knocked out by a European giant in the champions league and sacking Conte. This is the epitome of what I saw at Selhurst today. There has been negativity around trying a new approach from the minute it was brought up. Every time we tried to play out from the back, the crowd groaned. Every time Hennessey or Dann or Riedewald didn't hoof the ball out, the crowd groaned. Ironically, when they did then hoof it out, the crowd also groaned. I think as fans we massively underestimate the amount it undermines the team and quite frankly one game in to the season, I think it was utterly pathetic. The reason we won't progress is because of this attitude, we cannot improve without giving it a chance. Its funny how we bang on about "OH NOT A FAN OF THIS TIPPY TAPPY NONSENSE" yet completely ignore the fact that the newly promoted side who tanked us today are a team who've worked on a progressive type system for the past year. They're no hoof ball merchants, they're patient in possession, tactically sound and they play as a team. There were many negatives in today's performance, that goes without saying. I have my own reservations about De Boer. We looked defensively all over the place and god forbid we sustain any injuries because barring Cabaye that would've been pretty much a fully fit team we put out today. But unless we try and get better, unless we adapt to the modern game, we will stagnate and it will inevitably lead to relegation because there are only so many Big Sams and Pulises knocking about and we've used up those 2 life lines already. I predict the media will inevitably already have De Boer as a target and it would seem the fans have already passed judgement and deemed this a failed experiment. This will probably lead to a half hearted approach to our new style at the fear of being ruined by the press and booed every time we evade Hennessey hitting and hoping for the best. I've got my tin hat firmly on for this one and I will make a speedy exit before I undoubtedly get destroyed by many on here but this is my opinion about the Premier league in general. And it's one I've had for years, I don't buy the media nonsense pushed down our throat in this country about how amazingly excellent our league is. Excellent post.
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Lyons550 Shirley 13 Aug 17 2.25pm | |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
It gets you to safety and then you try the new system in competitive matches for the rest of the season and get ready to use that system for the following season. A good manager will also adapt their systems for an individual match, or even during a match, I didn't see much of that today when we were playing crap under the 'new' system. Last time I looked at the table we were only 3 points off top spot... We're currently Safe!!
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Lyons550 Shirley 13 Aug 17 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
You saw Dann and reidewald as positives. I thought they were competing to be the most s*** player on the pitch I fully accept that Danns decision making was poor but it was good to see him physically back and sharp, decision making can be addressed. Reideweld was excellent on the ball technically and started a number of attacks, again his physicality was lacking but he's 20 and it was his 1st introduction to the Prem... So let's put things into perspective shall we. Ward on the other hand was poor positionally and technically..
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Lyons550 Shirley 13 Aug 17 2.33pm | |
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Originally posted by FinchleyEagle
For me, De Boer does not yet understand Crystal Palace and is trying to change too much too quickly, without having the players to do it, or possibly the coaching acumen. The same thing happened to Pardew. Pulis is a massively underrated manager and certainly here because of the acrimonious nature of his departure. That aside, at every club he's been at, he's looked at the players he has and plays to the individual and collective strength, then gradually imposes where he wants to go with new signings. It's not rocket science but is surprisingly rare. Allardyce had a simple approach that can be implemented at pretty much any prem club. That's why he's never been relegated. De Boer needs to learn in double-quick time what he's got (a very good squad) and how to get the best out of them and get results. Over time he can refine while hopefully still getting enough results, but not straight away. I can only presume he hasn't done his homework on Palace, either last season or since we've been in the prem, which is such a shocking thought I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't seem to know that Townsend is one of our best players, Ward is a good player but never a wing back and we are not comfortable in possession in front of our own box - although few are in this time of chasing players down. I hope he rectifies quickly, it's ok to make mistakes, especially at the beginning, but to not adapt would be unforgiveable.
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m/k mick milton keynes 13 Aug 17 2.47pm | |
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Formations come and go, one thing will always remain, you will never be sucessful without a strong spine to the team, goalie, centre half, midfield, centre forward, get this right and then you play any formation you like, we sadly have a problem in two maybe three of those positions, Liverpool could be a disaster, if we set up the same, which i dont think we will, confidence could quickly become an issue, support for our team is vital, we went very quiet yesterday at times
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bodge 13 Aug 17 5.06pm | |
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We need a new stand or three and a manager that gets us playing a set style that wins games. FDB could be the man i expect us to improve game on game as he adjusts the team to play his way it will be interesting to see if we go with a back four next week. The booing was a disgrace shame on the fans who did.
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johnno42000 13 Aug 17 8.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Last time I looked at the table we were only 3 points off top spot... We're currently Safe!! Actually we are 2nd to bottom but I think you know that isn't what I meant about being safe. Hit the 37-40 points and then try the new formation.
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palacer Crystal Palace 13 Aug 17 11.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Deflated by that experience as I have ever been. But I agree we've got to give them a chance. I'm hoping new blood comes in. Maybe they will let us have Sakho after we play Liverpool.we must support the team, at least give them a chance to learn the system properly.
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palacer Crystal Palace 13 Aug 17 11.57pm | |
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Originally posted by bodge
We need a new stand or three and a manager that gets us playing a set style that wins games. FDB could be the man i expect us to improve game on game as he adjusts the team to play his way it will be interesting to see if we go with a back four next week. The booing was a disgrace shame on the fans who did. Yes we are supporters. We must support.
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