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Lombardos barber 02 Aug 17 11.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset No it's not. You've said the left are blurring the edges on the fgm issue. How so? If you're going to assert something, you need to be able to back it up else it comes across as a load of cobblers. It's not deflection, it's counter argument. The left... not all... but as a group / movement / part of the political spectrum will generally...not always... but generally... acquiese to sins and wrong-doings that can.. by more generalisations... be attributed to minority communities. Musn't ever condemn any group or people... except white people... especially of Christian belief... or those who may have been born into money... they are fair game for as much bile and vitriol as you can muster.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

No it's not. You've said the left are blurring the edges on the fgm issue. How so?
If you're going to assert something, you need to be able to back it up else it comes across as a load of cobblers. It's not deflection, it's counter argument.

The left... not all... but as a group / movement / part of the political spectrum will generally...not always... but generally... acquiese to sins and wrong-doings that can.. by more generalisations... be attributed to minority communities.

Musn't ever condemn any group or people... except white people... especially of Christian belief... or those who may have been born into money... they are fair game for as much bile and vitriol as you can muster.

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Aug 17 11.30am
Originally posted by Lombardos barber The left... not all... but as a group / movement / part of the political spectrum will generally...not always... but generally... acquiese to sins and wrong-doings that can.. by more generalisations... be attributed to minority communities. Musn't ever condemn any group or people... except white people... especially of Christian belief... or those who may have been born into money... they are fair game for as much bile and vitriol as you can muster. I see you know Nick quite well.
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Originally posted by Lombardos barber

I see you know Nick quite well.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Aug 17 12.31pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I'd imagine that if someone was calling you a pedophile you'd be pretty livid. Me, I'd probably deck someone if they were seriously inferring I was a child sex offender. Using free speech as a means of defending the indefensible - Denigrating 10% of the population without basis, or argument, should be a sackable offence in politics. Its no different than that ct who said 'all white people are racists' its dumb ct rhetoric aimed at gain the support of dumb c**ts. Aren't paedophiles just 'expressing their sexuality'. We are told to 'celebrate' other minority sexual deviances. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 02 Aug 17 12.31pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'd imagine that if someone was calling you a pedophile you'd be pretty livid. Me, I'd probably deck someone if they were seriously inferring I was a child sex offender.

Using free speech as a means of defending the indefensible - Denigrating 10% of the population without basis, or argument, should be a sackable offence in politics.

Its no different than that c**t who said 'all white people are racists' its dumb c**t rhetoric aimed at gain the support of dumb c**ts.

Aren't paedophiles just 'expressing their sexuality'. We are told to 'celebrate' other minority sexual deviances.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 02 Aug 17 1.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I see you know Nick quite well. You haven't responded to my response. Standard
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I see you know Nick quite well.

You haven't responded to my response.
Standard

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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Aug 17 1.55pm
Originally posted by Lombardos barber The left... not all... but as a group / movement / part of the political spectrum will generally...not always... but generally... acquiese to sins and wrong-doings that can.. by more generalisations... be attributed to minority communities. Musn't ever condemn any group or people... except white people... especially of Christian belief... or those who may have been born into money... they are fair game for as much bile and vitriol as you can muster. Where as the right as a group, but not all, generally acquisese to sins and wrong doings when its the majority - its almost as if right and wrong are subjective concepts, and morality is a discussion rather than concrete reality "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 02 Aug 17 1.55pm

Originally posted by Lombardos barber

Where as the right as a group, but not all, generally acquisese to sins and wrong doings when its the majority - its almost as if right and wrong are subjective concepts, and morality is a discussion rather than concrete reality

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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Aug 17 2.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Where as the right as a group, but not all, generally acquisese to sins and wrong doings when its the majority - its almost as if right and wrong are subjective concepts, and morality is a discussion rather than concrete reality Can you give an example? It is fair to say that morality is in effect decided by the majority since it is a question of consensus rather than fixed.
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02 Aug 17 2.13pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Where as the right as a group, but not all, generally acquisese to sins and wrong doings when its the majority - its almost as if right and wrong are subjective concepts, and morality is a discussion rather than concrete reality

Can you give an example?

It is fair to say that morality is in effect decided by the majority since it is a question of consensus rather than fixed.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Aug 17 2.25pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Aren't paedophiles just 'expressing their sexuality'. We are told to 'celebrate' other minority sexual deviances. No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults. Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults. Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent. Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 02 Aug 17 2.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Aren't paedophiles just 'expressing their sexuality'. We are told to 'celebrate' other minority sexual deviances.

No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults.

Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults.

Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Aug 17 2.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Can you give an example? It is fair to say that morality is in effect decided by the majority since it is a question of consensus rather than fixed. Take abortion rights - plenty of people on the right consider abortion to be immoral or wrong, despite the fact its legal, and accepted by the majority. Or the rights of say a minority, like gay people, having the right to marriage. Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.37pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 02 Aug 17 2.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Can you give an example?

It is fair to say that morality is in effect decided by the majority since it is a question of consensus rather than fixed.

Take abortion rights - plenty of people on the right consider abortion to be immoral or wrong, despite the fact its legal, and accepted by the majority.

Or the rights of say a minority, like gay people, having the right to marriage.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.37pm)

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elgrande bedford 02 Aug 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults. Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults. Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent. Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm) Maybe you should mention that to your chums on the left then Jamie,how many of them supported P.I.E. in the past. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 02 Aug 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults.

Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults.

Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm)

Maybe you should mention that to your chums on the left then Jamie,how many of them supported P.I.E. in the past.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Aug 17 2.53pm
Originally posted by elgrande Maybe you should mention that to your chums on the left then Jamie,how many of them supported P.I.E. in the past. They weren't my chums. The left isn't a single hive mind of people, and they were wrong. I agree that maybe there is some question to discuss on how we define age of consent - doesn't mean that we should be defending paedophiles. Also you want to be a bit careful in assuming that only the lefties supported or backed PIE. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 02 Aug 17 2.53pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Maybe you should mention that to your chums on the left then Jamie,how many of them supported P.I.E. in the past.

They weren't my chums. The left isn't a single hive mind of people, and they were wrong. I agree that maybe there is some question to discuss on how we define age of consent - doesn't mean that we should be defending paedophiles.

Also you want to be a bit careful in assuming that only the lefties supported or backed PIE.

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elgrande bedford 02 Aug 17 2.58pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 They weren't my chums. The left isn't a single hive mind of people, and they were wrong. I agree that maybe there is some question to discuss on how we define age of consent - doesn't mean that we should be defending paedophiles. Also you want to be a bit careful in assuming that only the lefties supported or backed PIE. No I should imagine there a a good few on both side,and no I don't really want to discuss the age of consent thank you,think it's fine as it is. And as a father 2 boys and 2 girls(all grown up now),I think it is just about right. And I would never defend paedophiles,I might break every bone in their bodies though. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 02 Aug 17 2.58pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Also you want to be a bit careful in assuming that only the lefties supported or backed PIE.

No I should imagine there a a good few on both side,and no I don't really want to discuss the age of consent thank you,think it's fine as it is.
And as a father 2 boys and 2 girls(all grown up now),I think it is just about right.
And I would never defend paedophiles,I might break every bone in their bodies though.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Aug 17 2.59pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults. Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults. Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent. Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm) Like gay people before 1967? The argument put forward by people who want various forms of deviant sex made legal, now and in the past, is that "that is how they are", so society should respect that and let them get on with it and indeed 'celebrate' it - paedophiles make the same argument. Many on the left, notably Hariett Harman supported them in their guise as the Paedophile Exchange. Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Aug 2017 3.02pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No, they criminals as they're violating laws regarding consent that society believes to be just. Gay people aren't abusing non-conenting adults.

Homosexuality is only a deviance as its a statistical deviation from the norm: very few people consider it to be either immoral, criminal or abusive - as it occurs between consenting adults.

Where as whilst pedophiles are sexually deviant, their actions are harmful and do not involve consent, or people considered capable of giving consent.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Aug 2017 2.34pm)

Like gay people before 1967?
The argument put forward by people who want various forms of deviant sex made legal, now and in the past, is that "that is how they are", so society should respect that and let them get on with it and indeed 'celebrate' it - paedophiles make the same argument. Many on the left, notably Hariett Harman supported them in their guise as the Paedophile Exchange.

Edited by hedgehog50 (02 Aug 2017 3.02pm)

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