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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 22 Jul 17 8.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't see how any of what you typed as anything to do with my post. Trump's affect upon the US economy in just six months has been very impressive. Yet, there is a complete lack of even handed analysis. This isn't to say Trump can't and shouldn't be criticised. It is saying that there is a lack of rational balance. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2017 8.57am) It's a bet on promised yet undelivered tax cuts for US companies. It's not a reflection of anything he's done or an increase in productivity.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't see how any of what you typed as anything to do with my post.

Trump's affect upon the US economy in just six months has been very impressive. Yet, there is a complete lack of even handed analysis.

This isn't to say Trump can't and shouldn't be criticised. It is saying that there is a lack of rational balance.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jul 2017 8.57am)

It's a bet on promised yet undelivered tax cuts for US companies. It's not a reflection of anything he's done or an increase in productivity.

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Stirlingsays 22 Jul 17 9.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle It's a bet on promised yet undelivered tax cuts for US companies. It's not a reflection of anything he's done or an increase in productivity. That's right....but just by not being Clinton the country is doing well in the markets. It's an interesting start. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Jul 17 9.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

It's a bet on promised yet undelivered tax cuts for US companies. It's not a reflection of anything he's done or an increase in productivity.

That's right....but just by not being Clinton the country is doing well in the markets. It's an interesting start.

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 23 Jul 17 12.16am
where is the name calling? Nice try to compare my message to the Trump style but I am not buying it. Admittedly I do realize bigot is far from a complimentary phrase in the English language but in my opinion it defines the man rather perfectly, see below. From dictionary.cambridge.org: [Link] Narcissisticomeone who has too much admiration for himself or herself Nepotism:the act of using your power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family: Bigot:a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life: The "grab them by the pussy" comment is simply his quote and I still find it astonishing that any woman can vote for someone in such a powerful position when his sexism is so blatantly clear. It is the media's fault for a lack of evenness yes. Your name calling is problematical.....You are kind of just being 'Trump-like' yet complaining about him. Now when it comes to policies I probably agree with most of what you said there.
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where is the name calling?

Nice try to compare my message to the Trump style but I am not buying it. Admittedly I do realize bigot is far from a complimentary phrase in the English language but in my opinion it defines the man rather perfectly, see below.

From dictionary.cambridge.org:

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Narcissisticomeone who has too much admiration for himself or herself
Nepotism:the act of using your power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family:
Bigot:a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life:

The "grab them by the pussy" comment is simply his quote and I still find it astonishing that any woman can vote for someone in such a powerful position when his sexism is so blatantly clear.

It is the media's fault for a lack of evenness yes.

Your name calling is problematical.....You are kind of just being 'Trump-like' yet complaining about him.

Now when it comes to policies I probably agree with most of what you said there.

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Jul 17 12.34am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I disagree with this. I watch Newsnight....I see the hostility. I see the reporting on the BBC website. It's open hostility. Actual analysis of the policies would be good......Most of what you get is like Maple's focus upon efforts to get him out with the language not being partial at all. Eh? If you mean I am not impartial maybe you are right. Nevertheless it is a fact that Clinton's campaign was fatally compromised by very dubious FBI timing. And Trump did not get placed on the back foot in the same way.
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Croydon 23 Jul 17 12.34am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I disagree with this.

I watch Newsnight....I see the hostility. I see the reporting on the BBC website. It's open hostility.

Actual analysis of the policies would be good......Most of what you get is like Maple's focus upon efforts to get him out with the language not being partial at all.

Eh? If you mean I am not impartial maybe you are right. Nevertheless it is a fact that Clinton's campaign was fatally compromised by very dubious FBI timing. And Trump did not get placed on the back foot in the same way.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 17 1.00am
Originally posted by Mapletree Eh? If you mean I am not impartial maybe you are right. Nevertheless it is a fact that Clinton's campaign was fatally compromised by very dubious FBI timing. And Trump did not get placed on the back foot in the same way. It's the level I have a problem with. I find nothing wrong with having a side. The problem I have is with people and institutions who really should know better in terms of behaviour and open hostility rather than reason. It's the tea party from the other side and it's stated one of life's lessons very clearly to me.....People will demonise their opponents very easily and that emotion always trumps reason in all but the most mature of us. I think I have been guilty of this as well but I'm always surprised when I see people held in exalted positions doing it......it's not good. As for Trump....He received almost constant negative press....there is no way that he received a fair shake in that regard.....You appear to think the FBI had a dog in the game? I honestly wouldn't know....I think perhaps that the FBI had doubts about their earlier verdict on Clinton's emails...her position was dubious and so they wanted to cover their arse....the timing was bad.....Was it deliberately siding with Trump? I don't know...I doubt it but perhaps. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2017 1.04am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 17 1.00am

Originally posted by Mapletree

It's the level I have a problem with. I find nothing wrong with having a side.

The problem I have is with people and institutions who really should know better in terms of behaviour and open hostility rather than reason. It's the tea party from the other side and it's stated one of life's lessons very clearly to me.....People will demonise their opponents very easily and that emotion always trumps reason in all but the most mature of us. I think I have been guilty of this as well but I'm always surprised when I see people held in exalted positions doing it......it's not good.

As for Trump....He received almost constant negative press....there is no way that he received a fair shake in that regard.....You appear to think the FBI had a dog in the game? I honestly wouldn't know....I think perhaps that the FBI had doubts about their earlier verdict on Clinton's emails...her position was dubious and so they wanted to cover their arse....the timing was bad.....Was it deliberately siding with Trump? I don't know...I doubt it but perhaps.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2017 1.04am)

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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 17 1.21am
Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan where is the name calling? Nice try to compare my message to the Trump style but I am not buying it. Admittedly I do realize bigot is far from a complimentary phrase in the English language but in my opinion it defines the man rather perfectly, see below. From dictionary.cambridge.org: [Link] Narcissisticomeone who has too much admiration for himself or herself Nepotism:the act of using your power or influence to get good jobs or unfair advantages for members of your own family: Bigot:a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life: The "grab them by the pussy" comment is simply his quote and I still find it astonishing that any woman can vote for someone in such a powerful position when his sexism is so blatantly clear. It is the media's fault for a lack of evenness yes. Your name calling is problematical.....You are kind of just being 'Trump-like' yet complaining about him. Now when it comes to policies I probably agree with most of what you said there. Well calling Trump narcissistic is fair....though I think most top politicians are...he's just more....Nepotism?....again rife in politics...yet you single him out? Bigot? Well...sort of yeah...but I find that usually this is a 'progressives' favourite term to describe a person they don't like...So I'm not a fan of it...He's not a nice bloke certainly. We can't say Clinton for example isn't narcissistic and that Chelsea hasn't benefited from nepotism. NBC News hired Chelsea Clinton as a full-time correspondent on a 600, 000 dollar salary in 2011....does she come across as great media to you?....Didn't exactly shine. Now she has a 300k position on the BOD of Expedia because???...Well, we know why....her name...connections. Is Clinton a bigot.....Well, I wouldn't say so.... but she certainly isn't a nice person....I agree with her views more though...apart from the 'progressive' BS....though I get the impression that she was just riding the coat tails of that particular illness within the democratic party. You don't understand why women would vote Trump? I suggest that you try harder to understand that not everyone sees the world through the lens you do. Not many women as a percentage think very highly of newer forms of feminism and probably disliked Clinton more than the old dinosaur that was Trump. I understood that. It should be remembered that Trump's 'grab em by the pussy' comment was not for public consumption. It was a recorded conversation used for political purposes. He's apologised but obviously his opponents aren't really interested in apologies...they only really care about 'winning' and kicking him out by fair means or foul. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2017 4.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 17 1.21am

Originally posted by DutchEagleJohan

where is the name calling?

From dictionary.cambridge.org:

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The "grab them by the pussy" comment is simply his quote and I still find it astonishing that any woman can vote for someone in such a powerful position when his sexism is so blatantly clear.

It is the media's fault for a lack of evenness yes.

Your name calling is problematical.....You are kind of just being 'Trump-like' yet complaining about him.

Now when it comes to policies I probably agree with most of what you said there.

Well calling Trump narcissistic is fair....though I think most top politicians are...he's just more....Nepotism?....again rife in politics...yet you single him out? Bigot? Well...sort of yeah...but I find that usually this is a 'progressives' favourite term to describe a person they don't like...So I'm not a fan of it...He's not a nice bloke certainly.

We can't say Clinton for example isn't narcissistic and that Chelsea hasn't benefited from nepotism. NBC News hired Chelsea Clinton as a full-time correspondent on a 600, 000 dollar salary in 2011....does she come across as great media to you?....Didn't exactly shine.

Now she has a 300k position on the BOD of Expedia because???...Well, we know why....her name...connections.

Is Clinton a bigot.....Well, I wouldn't say so.... but she certainly isn't a nice person....I agree with her views more though...apart from the 'progressive' BS....though I get the impression that she was just riding the coat tails of that particular illness within the democratic party.

You don't understand why women would vote Trump? I suggest that you try harder to understand that not everyone sees the world through the lens you do. Not many women as a percentage think very highly of newer forms of feminism and probably disliked Clinton more than the old dinosaur that was Trump. I understood that.

It should be remembered that Trump's 'grab em by the pussy' comment was not for public consumption. It was a recorded conversation used for political purposes. He's apologised but obviously his opponents aren't really interested in apologies...they only really care about 'winning' and kicking him out by fair means or foul.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jul 2017 4.17pm)

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.TUX. 23 Jul 17 6.52am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't agree....the market has made 4 trillion in six months since Obama. This is in a different league to Obama's affect. Sorry, but a quick look at any graph (in relation to when both came to office) clearly shows the facts. As i stated, this is 99% due to Federal Reserve (Central Bank) policy and very little to do with any particular President/Presidential policy. Under Obama the Dow doubled in value but the national debt of the IOUSA also doubled (we've seen a similar pattern in the UK have we not?) yet the real economical growth (of both countries) has been pathetic where it truly counts, the man on the street. Trumps added nothing to market values that wouldn't have happened anyway. 'Hopium' still rules. Buy Litecoin.
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23 Jul 17 6.52am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't agree....the market has made 4 trillion in six months since Obama. This is in a different league to Obama's affect.

Sorry, but a quick look at any graph (in relation to when both came to office) clearly shows the facts. As i stated, this is 99% due to Federal Reserve (Central Bank) policy and very little to do with any particular President/Presidential policy.
Under Obama the Dow doubled in value but the national debt of the IOUSA also doubled (we've seen a similar pattern in the UK have we not?) yet the real economical growth (of both countries) has been pathetic where it truly counts, the man on the street.
Trumps added nothing to market values that wouldn't have happened anyway. 'Hopium' still rules.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Jul 17 7.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's right....but just by not being Clinton the country is doing well in the markets. It's an interesting start. How's it doing in the streets, schools and hospitals though? All that increased share prices succeeds in doing is increasing the wealth of asset owners and bonuses for CEOs, despite it having nothing to do with them, i.e. They've done nothing to earn it.
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Sydenham 23 Jul 17 7.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's right....but just by not being Clinton the country is doing well in the markets. It's an interesting start.

How's it doing in the streets, schools and hospitals though?

All that increased share prices succeeds in doing is increasing the wealth of asset owners and bonuses for CEOs, despite it having nothing to do with them, i.e. They've done nothing to earn it.

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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 17 1.57pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle How's it doing in the streets, schools and hospitals though? All that increased share prices succeeds in doing is increasing the wealth of asset owners and bonuses for CEOs, despite it having nothing to do with them, i.e. They've done nothing to earn it. Yep....though it's not just CEOs, and a percentage of those profits will be invested into growth. So that's obviously a good thing. Sure, we will see what Trump does as he goes along but economically it's looking a good start. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 17 1.57pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How's it doing in the streets, schools and hospitals though?

All that increased share prices succeeds in doing is increasing the wealth of asset owners and bonuses for CEOs, despite it having nothing to do with them, i.e. They've done nothing to earn it.

Yep....though it's not just CEOs, and a percentage of those profits will be invested into growth. So that's obviously a good thing.

Sure, we will see what Trump does as he goes along but economically it's looking a good start.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jul 17 4.13pm
FAKEhair I disengage, I turn the page.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jul 17 4.15pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly FAKEhair 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jul 17 4.15pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

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.TUX. 23 Jul 17 7.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep....though it's not just CEOs, and a percentage of those profits will be invested into growth. So that's obviously a good thing. Sure, we will see what Trump does as he goes along but economically it's looking a good start. 1. Hardly any. 2. On what planet? [Link] But hey, as long as 'the market is up' then all is fine...... Edited by .TUX. (24 Jul 2017 12.15am) Buy Litecoin.
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23 Jul 17 7.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep....though it's not just CEOs, and a percentage of those profits will be invested into growth. So that's obviously a good thing.

Sure, we will see what Trump does as he goes along but economically it's looking a good start.

1. Hardly any.
2. On what planet? [Link]

But hey, as long as 'the market is up' then all is fine......

Edited by .TUX. (24 Jul 2017 12.15am)

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