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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.30am
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles Teaching is very stressful and a high proportion of teachers end up with depression or burn-out or similar, compared to other professions (at least this is true in Germany). If you knew and spoke to teachers you'd know the trope about six weeks holiday does not a cushy job make. And teachers can only go on holiday when schools have broken up and during these periods the prices are highly inflated.No good holiday deals for teachers !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.30am

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

Teaching is very stressful and a high proportion of teachers end up with depression or burn-out or similar, compared to other professions (at least this is true in Germany). If you knew and spoke to teachers you'd know the trope about six weeks holiday does not a cushy job make.

And teachers can only go on holiday when schools have broken up and during these periods the prices are highly inflated.No good holiday deals for teachers !

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jeeagles 06 Jul 17 8.33am
Does the 1% pay cap apply to people who are promoted?
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jeeagles

06 Jul 17 8.33am

Does the 1% pay cap apply to people who are promoted?

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.42am
Originally posted by Willo In my day, one got the cane and strap "Six of the best and all that".One also got the ruler over knuckles.I have seen errant boys being pulled out of the classroom by their ears. None of that now and in many cases, children have NO respect for teachers and can get away with "Blue murder". I have heard the sentiments that it is not so much teaching now but crowd control.Of course there are many exceptions but my goodness it can be tough. I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jul 2017 8.43am)
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Originally posted by Willo

In my day, one got the cane and strap "Six of the best and all that".One also got the ruler over knuckles.I have seen errant boys being pulled out of the classroom by their ears.

None of that now and in many cases, children have NO respect for teachers and can get away with "Blue murder". I have heard the sentiments that it is not so much teaching now but crowd control.Of course there are many exceptions but my goodness it can be tough.

I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jul 2017 8.43am)

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.52am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jul 2017 8.43am) Some parents are very supportive when their child is reported to them but some will adopt the view that it must be the school/teacher which is at fault as "My little Johnny is not like that ". I think in Spain and some far east countries (And probably many others), teachers are respected but alas in this country in the main they are not respected at all with the children knowing that any sanctions will not be punitive at all.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.52am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not in favour of physical punishment. I would not have stood for teachers hitting my children. However, there must be a system in place to deter students from unruly and disruptive behavior and parents should be more involved with that process. The trouble is that too many parents are total morons themselves.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jul 2017 8.43am)

Some parents are very supportive when their child is reported to them but some will adopt the view that it must be the school/teacher which is at fault as "My little Johnny is not like that ".

I think in Spain and some far east countries (And probably many others), teachers are respected but alas in this country in the main they are not respected at all with the children knowing that any sanctions will not be punitive at all.

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Sportyteacher London 06 Jul 17 8.57am
Originally posted by Johnny Eagles Teachers and other public sector workers have seen quite a significant pay cut in real terms over the last few years. [Link] Given that Number Ten can find a billion quid down the back of the sofa for Norn Iron, I wonder if the unions shouldn't take collective action to try and get better conditions. Are there any HOL members who would support such a course of action? I think that the amalgamation of NUT and ATL that starts in September will lead firstly to balloting members for industrial action of the kind not seen in recent years. Conditions of employment being the cause for strike action.
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Sportyteacher

London 06 Jul 17 8.57am

Originally posted by Johnny Eagles

Teachers and other public sector workers have seen quite a significant pay cut in real terms over the last few years.

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Given that Number Ten can find a billion quid down the back of the sofa for Norn Iron, I wonder if the unions shouldn't take collective action to try and get better conditions.

Are there any HOL members who would support such a course of action?

I think that the amalgamation of NUT and ATL that starts in September will lead firstly to balloting members for industrial action of the kind not seen in recent years. Conditions of employment being the cause for strike action.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 9.04am
Originally posted by Sportyteacher I think that the amalgamation of NUT and ATL that starts in September will lead firstly to balloting members for industrial action of the kind not seen in recent years. Conditions of employment being the cause for strike action. NUT calling for "Industrial action ?" This does surprise me !!!! My wife was an ATL. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.04am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 9.04am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

NUT calling for "Industrial action ?" This does surprise me !!!!
My wife was an ATL.

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.04am)

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jul 17 9.44am
I have been recently reading that due to advances in technology, some jobs will be performed by robots in the near future. One therefore wonders whether teaching will be? A robot could teach a class, it's basically repeating the same information year after year and administer pre-programmed discipline as required. If students submitted their coursework online, the robot would then be able to mark it. Also, robot teachers would not be able to run away with under age girls to France or pass on their dubious political beliefs in the so-called name of 'progressive teaching'. Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2017 10.07am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Jul 17 9.44am

I have been recently reading that due to advances in technology, some jobs will be performed by robots in the near future.

One therefore wonders whether teaching will be? A robot could teach a class, it's basically repeating the same information year after year and administer pre-programmed discipline as required. If students submitted their coursework online, the robot would then be able to mark it.

Also, robot teachers would not be able to run away with under age girls to France or pass on their dubious political beliefs in the so-called name of 'progressive teaching'.

Edited by matt_himself (06 Jul 2017 10.07am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Jul 17 9.51am
The problem is that the you can put a good case together for both public and private sectors. Why should teachers be treated as special? Do they deserve a pay rise more than a council office administrator, a call centre worker or bank teller? Everyone is finding it harder and the implication that certain public servants deserve it more than others is ridiculous The IFS reported yesterday that even though there has been a drop in real terms for public sector employees, they still earn more than those in the private sector with comparable qualifications. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 06 Jul 17 9.51am

The problem is that the you can put a good case together for both public and private sectors.

Why should teachers be treated as special? Do they deserve a pay rise more than a council office administrator, a call centre worker or bank teller? Everyone is finding it harder and the implication that certain public servants deserve it more than others is ridiculous

The IFS reported yesterday that even though there has been a drop in real terms for public sector employees, they still earn more than those in the private sector with comparable qualifications.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 9.51am
Originally posted by matt_himself I have been recently reading that due to advances in technology, some jobs will be performed by robots in the near future. One therefore wonders whether teaching will be? A robot could teach a class, it's basically repeating the same information year after year and administer pre-programmed discipline as required. If students submitted their coursework online, the robot would then be able to mark it. Also, robot teachers would be able to run away with under age girls to France or pass on their dubious political beliefs in the so-called name of 'progressive teaching'. I can assure you that my wife and daughter do NOT have "Dubious political beliefs" but I have met many teachers in the past who come into this category and I have had many a fiesty contretemps with them. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.52am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 9.51am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I have been recently reading that due to advances in technology, some jobs will be performed by robots in the near future.

Also, robot teachers would be able to run away with under age girls to France or pass on their dubious political beliefs in the so-called name of 'progressive teaching'.

I can assure you that my wife and daughter do NOT have "Dubious political beliefs" but I have met many teachers in the past who come into this category and I have had many a fiesty contretemps with them.

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.52am)

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jul 17 10.16am
Originally posted by Willo I can assure you that my wife and daughter do NOT have "Dubious political beliefs" but I have met many teachers in the past who come into this category and I have had many a fiesty contretemps with them. Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.52am) You never fully understand the minds of women, Willo. I found out yesterday that my wife is an Ed Sheeran fan. I was appalled. She wants to go to one of his concerts at Wembley next year. I would rather impale myself on pineapple than do that. Your wife and daughter could be secret Trot's or social justice warriors. They may well be espousing the virtues of non-binary, gender neutral politics when you aren't around. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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matt_himself

Matataland 06 Jul 17 10.16am

Originally posted by Willo

Edited by Willo (06 Jul 2017 9.52am)

You never fully understand the minds of women, Willo.

I found out yesterday that my wife is an Ed Sheeran fan. I was appalled. She wants to go to one of his concerts at Wembley next year. I would rather impale myself on pineapple than do that.

Your wife and daughter could be secret Trot's or social justice warriors. They may well be espousing the virtues of non-binary, gender neutral politics when you aren't around.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 10.20am
Originally posted by matt_himself You never fully understand the minds of women, Willo. I found out yesterday that my wife is an Ed Sheeran fan. I was appalled. She wants to go to one of his concerts at Wembley next year. I would rather impale myself on pineapple than do that. Your wife and daughter could be secret Trot's or social justice warriors. They may well be espousing the virtues of non-binary, gender neutral politics when you aren't around. LOL ! I can assure you that this is way off the mark ! I got embroiled in so many heated arguments with teachers over the years that my dear wife insisted I never attended any social events where partners were invited.She had enough of mt fits of pique and vesuvian eruptions at these functions.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 10.20am

Originally posted by matt_himself

You never fully understand the minds of women, Willo.

I found out yesterday that my wife is an Ed Sheeran fan. I was appalled. She wants to go to one of his concerts at Wembley next year. I would rather impale myself on pineapple than do that.

Your wife and daughter could be secret Trot's or social justice warriors. They may well be espousing the virtues of non-binary, gender neutral politics when you aren't around.

LOL !

I can assure you that this is way off the mark !

I got embroiled in so many heated arguments with teachers over the years that my dear wife insisted I never attended any social events where partners were invited.She had enough of mt fits of pique and vesuvian eruptions at these functions.

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Hansy 06 Jul 17 10.22am
I am in favour of removing the cap, or amending it to a larger % above current inflation. Government needs the Public sector on their side, and will fail if they don't reward them.
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Hansy

06 Jul 17 10.22am

I am in favour of removing the cap, or amending it to a larger % above current inflation. Government needs the Public sector on their side, and will fail if they don't reward them.

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