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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 25 May 17 11.44pm |
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Amber Rudd is getting coated on question time. She is clearly uncomfortable and out of her depth. Face like a dogs bum with a hat on. Programme is worth a watch. Some really salient points.
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 dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 26 May 17 8.01am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Ha. Yes. The whole political class seemed to want to rush to war. But there's still a lot on Cameron and May's shoulders. Cutting back of police forces, etc. Bullsh1t.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 26 May 17 8.49am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Amber Rudd is getting coated on question time. She is clearly uncomfortable and out of her depth. Face like a dogs bum with a hat on. Programme is worth a watch. Some really salient points. Haha. See what you did there .. straight from the other thread I started watching and kind of zoned out. Will pop it on the sky planner and have a watch later x
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| HeathMan Purley 26 May 17 9.22am |
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I have also started to watch Question Time. Will not comment on Panel Members at this stage. However, it does provide a more thoughtful report covering people's second questions. Sadly, a lot of news is presented at the first question level - with media resources devoted to answering first questions on a continuous basis. If memory serves reporting of the Croydon Tramlink Accident was swamped by presidential news from the US. Saturation coverage of one event seems often to show people (who are expected to say something) saying unguarded things.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 9.37am |
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Is it really terrorism, to blow yourself up in a horde of kids? Does it really serve a political end to randomly kill people who have no influence or capacity to affect politics. Does it really serve a political cause or further an oppressed political groups rights. Or is it just dumb f**king murder, that serves a tangential link to a political cause, and a fundamentalist view of Islam, that even other Muslims are fighting alongside us to prevent. Does anyone other than those in that cause even understand what the political objective actually is. When you look at IS, and its occupation of territory, its just more of the same, horror and violence. It is all they have to offer. These aren't people fighting for a better life for their families, or for freedom, a social justice or even a better future. All they have to offer is violence, horror and suffering, even to those who believe in them.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 26 May 17 9.57am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Is it really terrorism, to blow yourself up in a horde of kids? Does it really serve a political end to randomly kill people who have no influence or capacity to affect politics. Does it really serve a political cause or further an oppressed political groups rights. Or is it just dumb f**king murder, that serves a tangential link to a political cause, and a fundamentalist view of Islam, that even other Muslims are fighting alongside us to prevent. Does anyone other than those in that cause even understand what the political objective actually is. When you look at IS, and its occupation of territory, its just more of the same, horror and violence. It is all they have to offer. These aren't people fighting for a better life for their families, or for freedom, a social justice or even a better future. All they have to offer is violence, horror and suffering, even to those who believe in them. If that is the case, and I believe it is, maximum fcuking violence on those involved is the only answer.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Is it really terrorism, to blow yourself up in a horde of kids? Does it really serve a political end to randomly kill people who have no influence or capacity to affect politics. Does it really serve a political cause or further an oppressed political groups rights. Or is it just dumb f**king murder, that serves a tangential link to a political cause, and a fundamentalist view of Islam, that even other Muslims are fighting alongside us to prevent. Does anyone other than those in that cause even understand what the political objective actually is. When you look at IS, and its occupation of territory, its just more of the same, horror and violence. It is all they have to offer. These aren't people fighting for a better life for their families, or for freedom, a social justice or even a better future. All they have to offer is violence, horror and suffering, even to those who believe in them. Their motivation is hatred and fighting in itself. They aren't happy until they kill and are happy to be killed in that pursuit. Heaven awaits. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 12.08pm)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 26 May 17 12.52pm |
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Here's a question for you. Two men exactly the same age race and religion. Man a) goes to a football match acts a bit of a t***t, outside after the game gets involved in a spot of pugilism gets nicked, has passport taken away and banned from all football grounds. Man b) travels to Syria to fight with IS against allied troops, attends training camp for terrorists, comes back to the UK and is welcomed with opened arms at passport control. What the fckin fcuk is that all about. Stop being so bloody wet, and nick them the minute they come back.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 May 17 2.03pm |
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Ex-head of COBRA calls for detention and deportation of terror suspects. Very sensible and hope it happens.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Here's a question for you. Two men exactly the same age race and religion. Man a) goes to a football match acts a bit of a t***t, outside after the game gets involved in a spot of pugilism gets nicked, has passport taken away and banned from all football grounds. Man b) travels to Syria to fight with IS against allied troops, attends training camp for terrorists, comes back to the UK and is welcomed with opened arms at passport control. What the fckin fcuk is that all about. Stop being so bloody wet, and nick them the minute they come back. Except in scenario B - He's also going to be arrested and charged with offences under the terrorism act, if he can be identified as such. People tend to fight for IS under pseudonyms, use false passports etc and sneak or get smuggled over the border, and come back via different countries. I think its at least five year sentence, plus any crimes you committed in Syria can be prosecuted in the UK, because Terrorism has universal jurisdiction. Personally, I think if your convicted, it should be a indefinite sentence, and that the only way you are ever getting out, is by earning it. If you're let through, its because your on a surveillance order and your passport has been flagged by the security service.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Ex-head of COBRA calls for detention and deportation of terror suspects. Very sensible and hope it happens. Well firstly we shouldn't deport them, that just makes them someone else's problem. The second is more problematic, at what point does someone become a terrorist suspect suitable for detention - What kind of evidence is to be used? Suspending the right to a trial is pretty f**king big and it massively backfired on the US over Guantanamo Bay. A good example is that about 15% of the people arrested under the Terrorist act, are charged. The police tend towards a 'better safe than sorry' and want everyone's statement under oath etc. A good example, is that the one of the guys arrested after Manchester was the bombers landlord. The police didn't really suspect he was involved, but they did need his statement, on record. So what is the burden of suspicion that would legally allow detention or deportation?
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 May 17 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well firstly we shouldn't deport them, that just makes them someone else's problem. The second is more problematic, at what point does someone become a terrorist suspect suitable for detention - What kind of evidence is to be used? Suspending the right to a trial is pretty f**king big and it massively backfired on the US over Guantanamo Bay. A good example is that about 15% of the people arrested under the Terrorist act, are charged. The police tend towards a 'better safe than sorry' and want everyone's statement under oath etc. A good example, is that the one of the guys arrested after Manchester was the bombers landlord. The police didn't really suspect he was involved, but they did need his statement, on record. So what is the burden of suspicion that would legally allow detention or deportation? There are several thousand individuals on the intelligence radar. Rounding up those without British citizenship and deporting them may well make it someone else's problem (or more likely return the problem to its origin) but our primary responsibility is to our own people in our own country. It's physically not possible to keep constant tabs on them so deporting them makes perfect sense. It then gives the security services more time and resources to concentrate on the 'home grown' vermin to lift and, where necessary, intern them. We are at war. War is an extraordinary situation and extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures. Edited by Cucking Funt (26 May 2017 2.28pm)
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