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will the nhs ever be privatised?
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jamiemartin721  Reading 22 May 17 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
Will it happen, I doubt it. It wouldn't be such a bad thing, if it was run as a business, it would be far more cost effective. There are far to many people on inflated salaries doing nothing productive at all, just creating work to validate their job, this doesn't include medical staff, just the raft of pen pushers. If private health care had to provide the kind of coverage that the NHS does, it would be prohibitively expensive. There is no way private health care could afford to run things like A+E at the same level as the NHS, let alone with the same efficiency. There will always be some room for privatisation in the NHS. Certain areas of care and treatment are better handled through private contractors (especially in areas of rare disease). Its not a business, and not everything can be run as a business. To me, provision of health care and assuring the national security of citizens are the primary concerns of any democratic western government, closely followed by education of its young (and adults). We have long achieved national security of the United Kingdom, so much so, that we're politically more motivated towards securing British Interests as a priority now over citizens. Its imperative that we don't end up like the US, in which paying taxes results in next to no return to the population. Good health care for all, should be a cornerstone of any decent nation that is funded by its citizens. Assure their access to health, as well as military security.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
If private health care had to provide the kind of coverage that the NHS does, it would be prohibitively expensive. There is no way private health care could afford to run things like A+E at the same level as the NHS, let alone with the same efficiency. There will always be some room for privatisation in the NHS. Certain areas of care and treatment are better handled through private contractors (especially in areas of rare disease). Its not a business, and not everything can be run as a business. To me, provision of health care and assuring the national security of citizens are the primary concerns of any democratic western government, closely followed by education of its young (and adults). We have long achieved national security of the United Kingdom, so much so, that we're politically more motivated towards securing British Interests as a priority now over citizens. Its imperative that we don't end up like the US, in which paying taxes results in next to no return to the population. Good health care for all, should be a cornerstone of any decent nation that is funded by its citizens. Assure their access to health, as well as military security. Agreed. The provision, or ability to effectively look after ones own people, should be at the very forefront of any elected governments guiding principles. Privatisation of the NHS is the one thing the Torys are moving toward that I cannot agree with, and am Strongly opposed against. Now if they were to streamline the NHS, and get rid of all the Civil servant posts created years ago that just bleed the NHS funds more than a car park full of Romanian Pikeys, then that would free up more money for the things we actually need in hospitals, like Dr's, Nurses and equipment, not to mention new real estate to put them in.
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| Painter Croydon 22 May 17 7.30pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
If private health care had to provide the kind of coverage that the NHS does, it would be prohibitively expensive. There is no way private health care could afford to run things like A+E at the same level as the NHS, let alone with the same efficiency. There will always be some room for privatisation in the NHS. Certain areas of care and treatment are better handled through private contractors (especially in areas of rare disease). Its not a business, and not everything can be run as a business. To me, provision of health care and assuring the national security of citizens are the primary concerns of any democratic western government, closely followed by education of its young (and adults). We have long achieved national security of the United Kingdom, so much so, that we're politically more motivated towards securing British Interests as a priority now over citizens. Its imperative that we don't end up like the US, in which paying taxes results in next to no return to the population. Good health care for all, should be a cornerstone of any decent nation that is funded by its citizens. Assure their access to health, as well as military security. I agree with all you points. The issue is its now too big and needs some sort of streamlining and more efficient if possible. You make an appointment and get on average 3 letters confirming it, months in advance, in the end I gave up and went private.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 23 May 17 8.59am |
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The NHS is changing...its focusing far more on preventative care, through increased working relationships with Social care and charities alike away from Hospitals. This way it can 'triage' out in the communities rather than in a A&E and the benefits will pay for themselves in the coming years as we stay fitter and healthier for longer. It's as much about changing peoples mindsets as it is the actual treatment. Too many people in the last 40years have automatically turned up at a GP or A&E for the most innocuous of issues. The more informed we all are the less stress on the system there will be....but it will take time...it's like turning an oil tanker. Before too long it wont be a bus pass we get at 60...it'll be a gym membership
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| bubble wrap Carparks in South East London 23 May 17 12.25pm |
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NHS is brilliant in some parts but woeful in others. Where you live also determines how good it can be. If you go into most NHS hospitals lots of beds are taken up long term by elderly patients that need convolence homes rather than a hospital bed. Also a very large number of foreigners bleeding the NHS dry getting treatments here free that they would have to pay for back home. Some fly from their own countries to give birth because its free here. If i had the choice everyone would have to take out an insurance policy to pay for treatment. Those on low wages or over 60 would be exempt. Foreigners would have to pay like we do in countries abroad.
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 May 17 8.34am |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
You only have to be a patient to see it is not joined up. They'll treat you brilliantly for one thing but Heaven help you if you have more than one ailment. They habitually treat the condition not the person. Sorry to say the NHS is now well past its sell by date! Hmm. Do you think it's more joined up in any other system? Sadly not. Maybe the current trend towards ACOs will produce some benefit but the NHS is just as advanced in its thinking as anywhere else. We shouldn't forget that GPs are private sector by the way.
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