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 Michaelawt85  Bexley 16 May 17 11.48am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So did Brady, but the reality, which the police should have known, especially any forensics guys, is that they were buried on a peat more, which shifts a surprising amount over a year. Within 20 years, even if you knew exactly where you buried the body, and had placed markers, the body would likely have shifted from that site. But still the police and media kept humouring these two allowing them to relive their actions. I think sadly it was more a case of trying to keep the family of keith bennett happy saying they were doing all they could to find his body. Totally understandable why they wanted the search to go on but the police must have known the chance of finding him was almost zero. Just horrible.
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 Midlands Eagle 16 May 17 11.53am |
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Interesting call on radio 5 this morning from a psychiatric nurse that knew Brady as he worked in his prison. He claimed that many lifers were allowed to kill themselves as medics and prison staff looked the other way but Brady was watched carefully by everybody to ensure that he never had the opportunity to take his own life in order that he could suffer as long as possible
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| Michaelawt85 Bexley 16 May 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Interesting call on radio 5 this morning from a psychiatric nurse that knew Brady as he worked in his prison. He claimed that many lifers were allowed to kill themselves as medics and prison staff looked the other way but Brady was watched carefully by everybody to ensure that he never had the opportunity to take his own life in order that he could suffer as long as possible Yes he was clearly a man who liked power and control in both obvious and more subtle ways. Having no control over his own fate probably drove him right to the brink. Hence wanting a move to prison so he could have the control over dying (prison authorities cannot force feed prisoners whereas they can in a hospital setting as he was deemed to be insane and therefore not mentally capable of making a rational decision)
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| Michaelawt85 Bexley 16 May 17 12.54pm |
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Read this some years ago. This was the partner of Hindleys sister and together they blew the whistle on Bradey and Hindley. What he witnessed that night isn't for the feint hearted.
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Attachment: | jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Yes he was clearly a man who liked power and control in both obvious and more subtle ways. Having no control over his own fate probably drove him right to the brink. Hence wanting a move to prison so he could have the control over dying (prison authorities cannot force feed prisoners whereas they can in a hospital setting as he was deemed to be insane and therefore not mentally capable of making a rational decision) This isn't quite true, he was diagnosed as a psychopath and transferred to Broadmoor; people with personality disorders (in this case Anti-Social Personality Disorders) are capable of making rational decisions and are criminally culpable, its that they lack capacity for empathy and feeling (notably for others) and have no relatable capacity for right and wrong.
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| Stirlingsays 16 May 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This isn't quite true, he was diagnosed as a psychopath and transferred to Broadmoor; people with personality disorders (in this case Anti-Social Personality Disorders) are capable of making rational decisions and are criminally culpable, its that they lack capacity for empathy and feeling (notably for others) and have no relatable capacity for right and wrong. How does your description sit with your previously stated dislike of concepts of morality?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Read this some years ago. This was the partner of Hindleys sister and together they blew the whistle on Bradey and Hindley. What he witnessed that night isn't for the feint hearted. David Smith, who was only 17 himself, witnessed Brady's murder of Edward Evans, and helped dispose of the body, but his wife convinced him to call the police.
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| Michaelawt85 Bexley 16 May 17 3.49pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
David Smith, who was only 17 himself, witnessed Brady's murder of Edward Evans, and helped dispose of the body, but his wife convinced him to call the police. The body was still at the property albeit concealed in a sheet when police arrived in daylight hours following Smith's call . He was also the main prosecution witness during the trial and copped a hell of a lot of flak from locals over his connection to the pair. As I say I read the book some years ago maybe five , but one line from it I have never forgotten. Smith's description of the smell of the dead body of poor Edward Evans. As I say not for the feint hearted.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 May 17 4.42pm |
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My sister had a friend called Moira who married a bloke called Hindley. She pronounced the surname "Hyndley".
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Kermit8  Hevon 16 May 17 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
My sister had a friend called Moira who married a bloke called Hindley. She pronounced the surname "Hyndley". If ever she leaves him then herself and Liam Brady are a shoe-in for First Dates.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 May 17 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How does your description sit with your previously stated dislike of concepts of morality?
I reject the idea that morality exists as anything more meaningful that subjective experiences that are defined by each individual. That fundamentally people are emotional, sentient entities, independent; who exist subjectively. Someone who has anti-social personality disorder cannot do this, they lack the capacity to see people as anything more than objects in their world. Whilst I choose not to rape, not because of morality, but because I understand that its traumatic, damaging, violent; and something to which I would object to being done to me. Someone with anti-social personality disorder / psychopathy is incapable of understanding that difference. As such, whilst I don't believe that morality is real in any meaningful way, I am capable of understanding concepts like right and wrong, and engage in understanding them and defining them. Brady wasn't, fundamentally, people exist for his benefit, not their own.
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| Stirlingsays 16 May 17 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I reject the idea that morality exists as anything more meaningful that subjective experiences that are defined by each individual. That fundamentally people are emotional, sentient entities, independent; who exist subjectively. Someone who has anti-social personality disorder cannot do this, they lack the capacity to see people as anything more than objects in their world. Whilst I choose not to rape, not because of morality, but because I understand that its traumatic, damaging, violent; and something to which I would object to being done to me. Someone with anti-social personality disorder / psychopathy is incapable of understanding that difference. As such, whilst I don't believe that morality is real in any meaningful way, I am capable of understanding concepts like right and wrong, and engage in understanding them and defining them. Brady wasn't, fundamentally, people exist for his benefit, not their own. I think only the religious believe that morality is real with any overarching purpose. However, creating systems of morality is something else entirely. While I feel you could be accused of a certain amount of semantics I respect your opinion and thank you for the reply. Interesting and informative as always.
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