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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 27 Apr 17 1.19pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

Here we go again.
It seems each time we lose the man to blame is the ref.
True he made some questionable decisions (they all do) but do you blame him for their goal/our almost complete lack of attacking flair/all the balls in the air/that they had at least two, often three marking Zaha?
We have had the benefit of dubious decisions in our favour in the last half dozen games.
Take the rough with the smooth, it usually balances out over a season.

Did you not watch the game?? Questionable decisions??? Like telling Kane to get Wanyama subbed so he didnt get sent off? He was on a yellow, another bad foul right in front of the ref and.....nothing?? Dembele 4 fouls, 2 on attacking plyers in the spurs end, 2 foul mothed rants at the ref and.....nothing?? Thta is bent refereeing at its worst....no one as far as I can see is blaming him for the goal (that was Hennessey) but by not sending off Wanyama, possiby Sissoko too and not booking Walker he certainly made spurs night much
easier. If you think decisions even themselves up, maybe you can point me to when one of our players was given the chance to be subbed before being sent off. FFs he even pointed out Dembeles 4 fouls, where they happened and still didnt book him. Wilf kicks the ball away instant booking....Walker does same thing...nothing?? The man is/was a CHEAT and a hopeless referee.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 27 Apr 17 1.36pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Did you not watch the game?? Questionable decisions??? Like telling Kane to get Wanyama subbed so he didnt get sent off? He was on a yellow, another bad foul right in front of the ref and.....nothing?? Dembele 4 fouls, 2 on attacking plyers in the spurs end, 2 foul mothed rants at the ref and.....nothing?? Thta is bent refereeing at its worst....no one as far as I can see is blaming him for the goal (that was Hennessey) but by not sending off Wanyama, possiby Sissoko too and not booking Walker he certainly made spurs night much
easier. If you think decisions even themselves up, maybe you can point me to when one of our players was given the chance to be subbed before being sent off. FFs he even pointed out Dembeles 4 fouls, where they happened and still didnt book him. Wilf kicks the ball away instant booking....Walker does same thing...nothing?? The man is/was a CHEAT and a hopeless referee.

Spot on

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 Apr 17 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Did you not watch the game?? Questionable decisions??? Like telling Kane to get Wanyama subbed so he didnt get sent off? He was on a yellow, another bad foul right in front of the ref and.....nothing?? Dembele 4 fouls, 2 on attacking plyers in the spurs end, 2 foul mothed rants at the ref and.....nothing?? Thta is bent refereeing at its worst....no one as far as I can see is blaming him for the goal (that was Hennessey) but by not sending off Wanyama, possiby Sissoko too and not booking Walker he certainly made spurs night much
easier. If you think decisions even themselves up, maybe you can point me to when one of our players was given the chance to be subbed before being sent off. FFs he even pointed out Dembeles 4 fouls, where they happened and still didnt book him. Wilf kicks the ball away instant booking....Walker does same thing...nothing?? The man is/was a CHEAT and a hopeless referee.

The booking for Ward put the tin lid on it for me. Innocuous tackle, maybe not a foul, no previous fouls committed, got booked. Totally totally different than the treatment of Walker.

 

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AndyD Flag 27 Apr 17 2.05pm Send a Private Message to AndyD Add AndyD as a friend

I think Moss had been told by someone at the FA to do what he could to keep the title race alive and the 'product' hot for the TV money for the rest of the season.

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 27 Apr 17 2.23pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by LegalEagle2010

My view is, and this may be naive (though I don't think it is), that refs in this country do not make decisions deliberately (i.e. Corruptly). Further, by accusing refs of that or going down that road to some extent at least, weakens any valid argument a football fan might have about bias because you look like a foil-hatted conspiracy theorist.

What I do think though, is that officiating like Moss today is an example of a more subtle, underlying bias. The analogy I employ, and it's an analogy I use purely for illustrative purposes and in no way compare the two - clearly - as equally important, is the difference between overt racism or sexism (such as an explicit slur); and the more subtle, insidious discrimination that certain groups will experience (such as not getting an interview because of your name or not being taken seriously in a meeting because of your sex).

I do not think that officials deliberately do not give us the decisions that they should. But I do think there is a subconscious / inherent bias that makes them instinctively too scared or too slow to make the big decisions against an opposition club who are bigger than us.

The different standards applied to bookings is something that I have really noticed this season. Did Moss cost us the game? Not really. Would it have been different if Spurs had ten men and other players were on a yellow? Inevitably.

When people like Mourinho moan about the odd offside goal (say) decision that goes against them, what they do not realise is how pervasive and constant the little decisions that go against the smaller clubs are.

... none of this makes it any easier to swallow of course ...


A sort of institutional bias? Yes, I think that you're probably right.

 


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chateauferret Flag 27 Apr 17 3.33pm

Originally posted by AndyD

I think Moss had been told by someone at the FA to do what he could to keep the title race alive and the 'product' hot for the TV money for the rest of the season.

No s***, Sherlock. It was just so obvious. Again and again letting them get away with whatever they wanted. He gave us free kicks so that nobody could say he "hadn't seen it" and so couldn't get reviewed after the fact, but his criteria for issuing cards were clearly different for the two sides. Three Spurs players repeatedly did things worse than what Ward got booked for and their level of dissent massively eclipsed anything Wilf showed on the one occasion he did get pi**ed off. And am I the only one who saw Dele Alli throw himself to the ground at a Spurs corner? And we get booked when it's actually a real foul.

FFS.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 27 Apr 17 4.08pm

Should have been playing 9. Disgusting performance by Spurs and the ref.

 


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cpj Flag Kent 27 Apr 17 4.09pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

If the ref thought that then WTF was he doing giving Townsend a free kick and inviting Wanyama over for a disciplinary drink?

I'm not saying the ref thought that - he obviously thought it was a foul and should therefore have sent him off. But if you look closely, Townsend was already going down before he reached the legs of Wanyama, so I don't think we can really complain about that one.

Dembele should clearly have been booked; Walker could have got a second yellow for a possible push on Zaha in the corner (though he went down too easily as he often does) and Erikson could have got a second yellow for trying to take a corner from the wrong place (although he let them take free-kicks from wherever they wanted all night). Our bookings were for nothing challenges.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 27 Apr 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by bexleydave


A sort of institutional bias? Yes, I think that you're probably right.

This is absolutely what happens. They can't rock the establishment. Spurs are part of the reason that the premier league exists. And boy doesn't it show.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Apr 17 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Where's Willo? Surely he cannot agree that Moss was absolute s****! How can you count to 4 fouls that a player has racked up (Dembele) and not book him.
Does anyone else think Sky have some influence in this? A lot of this type of decisions happen on live matches.

 

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 27 Apr 17 5.37pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Where's Willo? Surely he cannot agree that Moss was absolute s****! How can you count to 4 fouls that a player has racked up (Dembele) and not book him.
Does anyone else think Sky have some influence in this? A lot of this type of decisions happen on live matches.

That did it for me. Counting up all those fouls but only giving him a warning was unbelievable. Never seen that without a card before. I still can't fathom how they still had 11 (make that 12 with Moss) on the pitch at the end.

If Moss isn't bent he's f*cking incompetent.

 


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chateauferret Flag 27 Apr 17 6.13pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Where's Willo? Surely he cannot agree that Moss was absolute s****! How can you count to 4 fouls that a player has racked up (Dembele) and not book him.
Does anyone else think Sky have some influence in this? A lot of this type of decisions happen on live matches.

Willo's staying out of it because he "doesn't want to turn it into a Willo thread". That being the case we may assume that he would approve of this scandalous fiasco.

 


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