This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
OknotOK Cockfosters, London 06 Apr 17 2.48pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by regal_eagle
Labour in promise to spend more of your money shocker! Depends on who you are? If you're not one of the small % with children attending private school then all you'll get is money back (assuming that the pledge is funded as intended). It is utterly bizarre that private schools are exempt from VAT. It cannot be justified ideologically.* And there is *some* evidence that universal provision of free school meals can lead to an overall improvement in standards. There appears to be some debate at the moment about the exact magnitude of that improvement and whether the studies were reasonable for extrapolation. I guess more research is needed. But the worst that would happen would be a tax break largely for the very rich would be taken away (VAT exemption leading to a reduction in fees) and replaced with a benefit mostly given to the middle class (FSM). So that doesn't seem a particularly bad thing. *Having said that it would be interesting to see the projections for the number who are likely to leave the private school system and the costs associated with that for the state. I've not seen the numbers touted by the Head of the Private School Association this morning about 20% being from families with less than £50k but I would think it is very unlikely. Even if the average fees are £10k (which is the lower end of the scale) then the vast majority of those on under £50k a year would find that completely unaffordable. So it suggests that actually they are on bursaries/scholarships - which would mean they wouldn't be affected by increases in fees to the same extent? Edited by OknotOK (06 Apr 2017 2.51pm)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 2.58pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So are you saying that if you are working class and you do well in education that you have access to the same opportunities that rich kids in private schools have? I don't believe that is the case at all. None of the statistics back that up for example. People talk about meritocracy but within society the reality is very different. I don't think you could entirely ban private education but you could certainly make it more difficult and not state supported. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Apr 2017 2.42pm) No.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Apr 17 3.01pm | |
---|---|
I don't think private schools should get tax breaks. I don't think charities should get tax breaks. I don't think all primary school children should get free dinners.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Apr 17 3.14pm | |
---|---|
Will the fat kids get free meals as well?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 3.15pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. I agree with you that any system will have winners and losers....Yep. However what is not ok is when the system is rigged so that some are unfairly advantaged to be winners over the rest. The state should ensure that all children have equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is wrong but equality of opportunity should be fought for tooth and nail.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 3.17pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Will the fat kids get free meals as well? They get two. They have the greater need and stomach space.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 3.33pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree with you that any system will have winners and losers....Yep. However what is not ok is when the system is rigged so that some are unfairly advantaged to be winners over the rest. The state should ensure that all children have equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is wrong but equality of opportunity should be fought for tooth and nail.
Have you read Animal Farm?
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
nobody sussex 06 Apr 17 3.40pm | |
---|---|
Nice idea but the cost of putting the kitchens back in all the schools that have ripped them out for extra classroom space would make it too expensive. Plus the extra staff needed because teachers were refusing to do 'dinner duty'.
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Nest 06 Apr 17 3.56pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by nobody
Nice idea but the cost of putting the kitchens back in all the schools that have ripped them out for extra classroom space would make it too expensive. Plus the extra staff needed because teachers were refusing to do 'dinner duty'. House of Commons Library research estimates that free school meals for all primary school children would cost between £700 million and £900 million
|
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Stirlingsays 06 Apr 17 4.16pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Have you read Animal Farm? Yes....and Orwell of course was a socialist. He was against the abuses of power by elites....which is pretty much the system we have now.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
becky over the moon 06 Apr 17 4.41pm | |
---|---|
A more sensible option would be for all the MP's and Peers to pay true costs in the subsidised restaurants and bars in the Parliament Buildings..... that'll fund a good few school meals for the needy and let the Politian's lead by example.
A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers |
|
Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
OknotOK Cockfosters, London 06 Apr 17 4.47pm | |
---|---|
Originally posted by nobody
Nice idea but the cost of putting the kitchens back in all the schools that have ripped them out for extra classroom space would make it too expensive. Plus the extra staff needed because teachers were refusing to do 'dinner duty'. Staff already have to do dinner duty - whether people have free school meals or not. The kids still have to eat. And school meals are already free for Reception - Year 2. So this would just be extending it. Schools that don't have kitchens will have to continue doing what they are doing now - outsourcing school meals.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
Registration is now on our new message board
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.