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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 17 4.29pm
Originally posted by nickgusset John Prescott. 'Osborne has got 6 jobs, I only had 2 jags.' Doesn't matter from what party they come, a sitting MP becoming a newspaper editor is a conflict of interests in my book. Ha ha ha. Riiiiiiight.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

John Prescott. 'Osborne has got 6 jobs, I only had 2 jags.'

Doesn't matter from what party they come, a sitting MP becoming a newspaper editor is a conflict of interests in my book.

Ha ha ha.
Riiiiiiight.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Mar 17 5.06pm
Originally posted by topcat Nice rant Hrolf but I don't have a problem with a right wing politician taking over the post of editor of a right wing newspaper. I have more of a problem with an MP having multiple jobs whilst still coining his full salary as an MP. This is my issue. If he's an MP part time, then pro-rata wages should be the norm. He's an elected representative of the people, his job is to represent them. Whilst I accept there is bias in news coverage, newspapers and news media companies employing sitting MPs is a conflict of interest for both parties. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 Mar 17 5.06pm

Originally posted by topcat

Nice rant Hrolf but I don't have a problem with a right wing politician taking over the post of editor of a right wing newspaper. I have more of a problem with an MP having multiple jobs whilst still coining his full salary as an MP.

This is my issue. If he's an MP part time, then pro-rata wages should be the norm. He's an elected representative of the people, his job is to represent them.

Whilst I accept there is bias in news coverage, newspapers and news media companies employing sitting MPs is a conflict of interest for both parties.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Mar 17 5.09pm
Cabinet / shadow cabinet MPs = more than one job. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 20 Mar 17 5.09pm

Cabinet / shadow cabinet MPs = more than one job.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Mar 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Ha ha ha. Riiiiiiight. Stop being a knob Hrolf.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ha ha ha.
Riiiiiiight.

Stop being a knob Hrolf.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Mar 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This thread is just more hypocritical tripe from Gusset. The left bang on about paranoia and prejudice and yet here it is displayed by a lefty. You might think that the man is a cretin or that MP's should not have two jobs but the fact that he is a Tory MP is by the by. I didn't hear anyone on the left claiming bias when Alan Yentob was director of the BBC for example. That worked out well didn't it. It's OK for an Iranian Jew to control the flagship broadcaster of Britain but it's terrible when a Tory overseas one newspaper? So the left obviously like some potential bias and influence more than others. What a shock. They are aghast if someone suggests the idea that Britain will be undermined by foreign influence but God forbid a Tory having any. Give me a break. Born in Stepney, London. Makes him British. Neither Iranian or Iraqi. He wasn't an elected MP though was he. More of the issue here, the separation of politics and the 4th estate. But I would also suggest that high ranking government and public service employees should not hold positions in private industry either. MP's first, second and third obligation is to the representation of the electorate. If they want to do otherwise, then they should resign their position as an MP. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 Mar 17 5.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This thread is just more hypocritical tripe from Gusset.

The left bang on about paranoia and prejudice and yet here it is displayed by a lefty.

You might think that the man is a cretin or that MP's should not have two jobs but the fact that he is a Tory MP is by the by. I didn't hear anyone on the left claiming bias when Alan Yentob was director of the BBC for example. That worked out well didn't it.
It's OK for an Iranian Jew to control the flagship broadcaster of Britain but it's terrible when a Tory overseas one newspaper?
So the left obviously like some potential bias and influence more than others. What a shock. They are aghast if someone suggests the idea that Britain will be undermined by foreign influence but God forbid a Tory having any.

Give me a break.

Born in Stepney, London. Makes him British. Neither Iranian or Iraqi.

He wasn't an elected MP though was he. More of the issue here, the separation of politics and the 4th estate. But I would also suggest that high ranking government and public service employees should not hold positions in private industry either.

MP's first, second and third obligation is to the representation of the electorate. If they want to do otherwise, then they should resign their position as an MP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Mar 17 5.16pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Cabinet / shadow cabinet MPs = more than one job. Shady greedy f**kers politicians, the lot of them. Murdered Socrates, not much has changed since. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 20 Mar 17 5.16pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Cabinet / shadow cabinet MPs = more than one job.

Shady greedy f**kers politicians, the lot of them. Murdered Socrates, not much has changed since.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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serial thriller The Promised Land 20 Mar 17 7.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes, 'Controller of the BBC' obviously implies that he had no control. And people really must get over their obsession as to where people were born. Allegiances and prejudices are determined by more than your birth place. In any case, the point od my post, which you have conveniently avoided was about selective objection to bias. The point of your post was to suggest that Yentob couldn't run the BBC efficiently because of where he was from. Then you find out where he is from, which is England, and imply that he still has prejudice, based on seemingly nothing other than this remaining idea in yur mind of him as an Iranian Jew. You're a racist mate. Have a word with yourself. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes, 'Controller of the BBC' obviously implies that he had no control.

And people really must get over their obsession as to where people were born. Allegiances and prejudices are determined by more than your birth place.
In any case, the point od my post, which you have conveniently avoided was about selective objection to bias.

The point of your post was to suggest that Yentob couldn't run the BBC efficiently because of where he was from.

Then you find out where he is from, which is England, and imply that he still has prejudice, based on seemingly nothing other than this remaining idea in yur mind of him as an Iranian Jew.

You're a racist mate. Have a word with yourself.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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serial thriller The Promised Land 20 Mar 17 7.42pm
This is how f*ed our country is. We have some cokehead with absolutely no qualifications, who has tanked our economy and who will go down as one of the most incompetent Chancellors ever, but because he's got a posh name he just walks in to another top job. Social mobility is just a f*ing joke, clearly. If you're up your up and if you're down you're down. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 20 Mar 17 7.42pm

This is how f***ed our country is. We have some cokehead with absolutely no qualifications, who has tanked our economy and who will go down as one of the most incompetent Chancellors ever, but because he's got a posh name he just walks in to another top job.

Social mobility is just a f***ing joke, clearly. If you're up your up and if you're down you're down.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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matt_himself Matataland 20 Mar 17 8.05pm
Originally posted by serial thriller This is how f*ed our country is. We have some cokehead with absolutely no qualifications, who has tanked our economy and who will go down as one of the most incompetent Chancellors ever, but because he's got a posh name he just walks in to another top job. Social mobility is just a fing joke, clearly. If you're up your up and if you're down you're down. The problem you have though is that your side are having a bloody good tear up at the moment, about whom is more lefty than whom, whom and what is democracy plus whether or not a sizeable portion of your support are anti semites, rather than looking like a credible bunch of people who can adjust social mobility. That and your ideology is bats** crazy and has been proven to bring economic failure, suppression and mass executions on more than one occasion. Edited by matt_himself (20 Mar 2017 8.06pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 20 Mar 17 8.05pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Social mobility is just a f***ing joke, clearly. If you're up your up and if you're down you're down.

The problem you have though is that your side are having a bloody good tear up at the moment, about whom is more lefty than whom, whom and what is democracy plus whether or not a sizeable portion of your support are anti semites, rather than looking like a credible bunch of people who can adjust social mobility.

That and your ideology is bats*** crazy and has been proven to bring economic failure, suppression and mass executions on more than one occasion.

Edited by matt_himself (20 Mar 2017 8.06pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 17 9.42pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Stop being a knob Hrolf. Stop bulls***ting then.
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20 Mar 17 9.42pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Stop being a knob Hrolf.

Stop bulls***ting then.

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 17 9.46pm
Originally posted by serial thriller The point of your post was to suggest that Yentob couldn't run the BBC efficiently because of where he was from. Then you find out where he is from, which is England, and imply that he still has prejudice, based on seemingly nothing other than this remaining idea in yur mind of him as an Iranian Jew. You're a racist mate. Have a word with yourself. Hilarious. Best straw man argument of the year. I'm not suggesting that I care what Alan Yentob prejudices might be,I'm merely illustrating a point. If we must discuss Yentob specifically, according to Wiki, Yentob's role as chairman of the board of trustees for Kids Company (founded by Camila Batmangheldijh) has come under close scrutiny since the collapse of the charity in early August 2015. He has been accused of multiple shortcomings in oversight and financial management, and of failing to ensure that he avoided a conflict of interest with his position at the BBC. It has been alleged that he intervened there in an attempt to deflect criticism of Kids Company and its founder Camila Batmanghelidjh. Yentob vigorously defended his actions and stated in August 2015 that he was "not remotely considering" resigning over his behaviour. Yentob resigned on 3 December 2015. I love how you lefties seize any spurious opportunity to throw mud. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Mar 2017 10.23pm)
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20 Mar 17 9.46pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

The point of your post was to suggest that Yentob couldn't run the BBC efficiently because of where he was from.

Then you find out where he is from, which is England, and imply that he still has prejudice, based on seemingly nothing other than this remaining idea in yur mind of him as an Iranian Jew.

You're a racist mate. Have a word with yourself.

Hilarious.

Best straw man argument of the year.

I'm not suggesting that I care what Alan Yentob prejudices might be,I'm merely illustrating a point.

If we must discuss Yentob specifically, according to Wiki, Yentob's role as chairman of the board of trustees for Kids Company (founded by Camila Batmangheldijh) has come under close scrutiny since the collapse of the charity in early August 2015. He has been accused of multiple shortcomings in oversight and financial management, and of failing to ensure that he avoided a conflict of interest with his position at the BBC. It has been alleged that he intervened there in an attempt to deflect criticism of Kids Company and its founder Camila Batmanghelidjh. Yentob vigorously defended his actions and stated in August 2015 that he was "not remotely considering" resigning over his behaviour. Yentob resigned on 3 December 2015.

I love how you lefties seize any spurious opportunity to throw mud.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Mar 2017 10.23pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Mar 17 10.05pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Born in Stepney, London. Makes him British. Neither Iranian or Iraqi. He wasn't an elected MP though was he. More of the issue here, the separation of politics and the 4th estate. But I would also suggest that high ranking government and public service employees should not hold positions in private industry either. MP's first, second and third obligation is to the representation of the electorate. If they want to do otherwise, then they should resign their position as an MP. I don't care if he is from Mars, that's not the point. I was using him to illustrate a point about selective objection to bias. I could have used someone else, it really doesn't matter. I do not see how a newspaper could employ anyone without bias and it really isn't setting any sort of precedent.
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20 Mar 17 10.05pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Born in Stepney, London. Makes him British. Neither Iranian or Iraqi.

He wasn't an elected MP though was he. More of the issue here, the separation of politics and the 4th estate. But I would also suggest that high ranking government and public service employees should not hold positions in private industry either.

MP's first, second and third obligation is to the representation of the electorate. If they want to do otherwise, then they should resign their position as an MP.

I don't care if he is from Mars, that's not the point. I was using him to illustrate a point about selective objection to bias.
I could have used someone else, it really doesn't
matter.

I do not see how a newspaper could employ anyone without bias and it really isn't setting any sort of precedent.

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