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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 06 Mar 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by susmik I repeat JUST for you OknotOK "We all read things in a different way and make our own minds up and have our own ideas and thoughts. It would be nice if we could all respect each others views instead of trying to score points over others at every given possibility" And I repeat your own words in the same post just for you susmik Quote There are quite a few posters in the same vein as Legal in the 'comrades' group that are not only supercilious but also overbearing, condescending and patronizing which has put a lot of the posters off from indulging in certain threads due to their attitudes. If then above isn't trying to score points then I'm not sure what is. I would prefer if the threads hadn't descended into the manner they have as well. But your post added to that, not reduced it. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 06 Mar 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by susmik

I repeat JUST for you OknotOK

"We all read things in a different way and make our own minds up and have our own ideas and thoughts. It would be nice if we could all respect each others views instead of trying to score points over others at every given possibility"

And I repeat your own words in the same post just for you susmik

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There are quite a few posters in the same vein as Legal in the 'comrades' group that are not only supercilious but also overbearing, condescending and patronizing which has put a lot of the posters off from indulging in certain threads due to their attitudes.

If then above isn't trying to score points then I'm not sure what is.

I would prefer if the threads hadn't descended into the manner they have as well. But your post added to that, not reduced it.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 Mar 17 2.49pm
Originally posted by OknotOK If then above isn't trying to score points then I'm not sure what is. I would prefer if the threads hadn't descended into the manner they have as well. But your post added to that, not reduced it. I give in it is tireless to keep going in my mind...have it your way! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 06 Mar 17 2.49pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

If then above isn't trying to score points then I'm not sure what is.

I would prefer if the threads hadn't descended into the manner they have as well. But your post added to that, not reduced it.

I give in it is tireless to keep going in my mind...have it your way!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Mar 17 2.53pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Who though, exactly, are the Liberal Left Elite? They are most of the leaders of most of the institutions which run our lives, like the judiciary, the BBC, the universities, teaching, social services, many councils, the top of the medical profession, the boards of all quangos. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Mar 17 2.53pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Who though, exactly, are the Liberal Left Elite?

They are most of the leaders of most of the institutions which run our lives, like the judiciary, the BBC, the universities, teaching, social services, many councils, the top of the medical profession, the boards of all quangos.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Mar 17 4.56pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 They are most of the leaders of most of the institutions which run our lives, like the judiciary, the BBC, the universities, teaching, social services, many councils, the top of the medical profession, the boards of all quangos. Why is it then, that all these important institutions have 'liberal left' leaders? Its not like we've actually had a liberal or left wing government since the 1979. Is it something to do with education? I note that almost all of the professions listed have a high threshold of educational entry to work in, let alone be in charge of. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Mar 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Why is it then, that all these important institutions have 'liberal left' leaders?

Its not like we've actually had a liberal or left wing government since the 1979. Is it something to do with education? I note that almost all of the professions listed have a high threshold of educational entry to work in, let alone be in charge of.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Mar 17 4.58pm
In an odd twist of Liberal Leftism, MI-5 is noted for being very progressive in the UK, being the first government agency to hire women beyond secretarial, and long having a reputation for cultivating diversity. Even when infiltrating left wing and liberal movements like CND, The SWP and SP. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Mar 17 4.58pm

In an odd twist of Liberal Leftism, MI-5 is noted for being very progressive in the UK, being the first government agency to hire women beyond secretarial, and long having a reputation for cultivating diversity.

Even when infiltrating left wing and liberal movements like CND, The SWP and SP.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 06 Mar 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 They are most of the leaders of most of the institutions which run our lives, like the judiciary, the BBC, the universities, teaching, social services, many councils, the top of the medical profession, the boards of all quangos. you mean people that have been appointed by Conservatives over the last fifty years.
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Sedlescombe 06 Mar 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

you mean people that have been appointed by Conservatives over the last fifty years.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Mar 17 5.17pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Why is it then, that all these important institutions have 'liberal left' leaders? Its not like we've actually had a liberal or left wing government since the 1979. Is it something to do with education? I note that almost all of the professions listed have a high threshold of educational entry to work in, let alone be in charge of. Blair was liberal left par excellence. Nick Clegg in the coalition certainly was. Cameron himself was in many ways a a 'liberal' in Tory clothing. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Mar 17 5.17pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Why is it then, that all these important institutions have 'liberal left' leaders?

Its not like we've actually had a liberal or left wing government since the 1979. Is it something to do with education? I note that almost all of the professions listed have a high threshold of educational entry to work in, let alone be in charge of.

Blair was liberal left par excellence. Nick Clegg in the coalition certainly was. Cameron himself was in many ways a a 'liberal' in Tory clothing.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 06 Mar 17 5.25pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Blair was liberal left par excellence. Nick Clegg in the coalition certainly was. Cameron himself was in many ways a a 'liberal' in Tory clothing. Blair was marginally to the left of Ken Clark ....Possibly and Clegg was, sadly just a figleaf. though we are seeing just what the Lib Dems protected us from, at least for a few years. Cameron was liberal on social matters and actually rather brave on things like same-sex weddings but he was harsher even than Thatcher on economic matters. And his appointments were undoubtedly "sound" We have never been governed by a Liberal elite but we have been by decades of public school tossers. Edited by Sedlescombe (06 Mar 2017 5.29pm)
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Sedlescombe 06 Mar 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Blair was liberal left par excellence. Nick Clegg in the coalition certainly was. Cameron himself was in many ways a a 'liberal' in Tory clothing.

Blair was marginally to the left of Ken Clark ....Possibly and Clegg was, sadly just a figleaf. though we are seeing just what the Lib Dems protected us from, at least for a few years.

Cameron was liberal on social matters and actually rather brave on things like same-sex weddings but he was harsher even than Thatcher on economic matters.

And his appointments were undoubtedly "sound"

We have never been governed by a Liberal elite but we have been by decades of public school tossers.

Edited by Sedlescombe (06 Mar 2017 5.29pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Mar 17 5.31pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Blair was marginally to the left of Ken Clark ....Possibly and Clegg was, sadly just a figleaf. though we are seeing just what the Lib Dems protected us from, at least for a few years. Cameron was liberal on social matters and actually rather brave on things like same-sex weddings but he was harsher even than Thatcher on economic matters. And his appointments were undoubtedly "sound" Regardless of how liberal left the governments of the last 40 odd years have been, I stand by my original point - "Ye shall know then by their fruits" [Matthew 7] We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Mar 17 5.31pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Blair was marginally to the left of Ken Clark ....Possibly and Clegg was, sadly just a figleaf. though we are seeing just what the Lib Dems protected us from, at least for a few years.

Cameron was liberal on social matters and actually rather brave on things like same-sex weddings but he was harsher even than Thatcher on economic matters.

And his appointments were undoubtedly "sound"

Regardless of how liberal left the governments of the last 40 odd years have been, I stand by my original point - "Ye shall know then by their fruits" [Matthew 7]

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 06 Mar 17 5.43pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Regardless of how liberal left the governments of the last 40 odd years have been, I stand by my original point - "Ye shall know then by their fruits" [Matthew 7] What do you think this 'liberal / left agenda' is and why do you think these 'elite' pursue it? A one and a two...
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Inner Tantalus Time. 06 Mar 17 5.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Regardless of how liberal left the governments of the last 40 odd years have been, I stand by my original point - "Ye shall know then by their fruits" [Matthew 7]

What do you think this 'liberal / left agenda' is and why do you think these 'elite' pursue it?

A one and a two...

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hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Mar 17 6.56pm
Originally posted by tome What do you think this 'liberal / left agenda' is and why do you think these 'elite' pursue it? Rod Liddle summed this up well in a recent issue of the Spectator: "Try being a social worker who thinks gay adoptions are problematic. Or a doctor who disproves of abortion or gender transitioning. Or a student who quite likes Germaine Greer and wearing a sombrero. Or a teacher who thinks Trump is maybe OK. (The headmaster at a school in south London recently told pupils that if any child uttered the same sorts of words as Donald Trump about immigration, they'd be excluded.) Try being a judge who thinks an awful lot of hate crimes are imaginary or vexatious. In all cases you'd be drummed out. No job, You'd be finished. There would be tribunals - where you would be judged by other upholders of the liberal elite - and you'd be out. That is what we mean by the liberal elite." Liddle also addressed the notion mentioned here that we have had years of non left liberals in these positions: "I remember as a speechwriter for the Labour party in the early 1980s suggesting that we do something in support of the teachers, who were complaining about pay.'F**k them - they're all Tories' I was told. And so statistically they were at the time. And in the 1970s the BBC, the Church of England, the judiciary and the emergent quangos were small 'c' conservative. Elites last for about two generations. Our liberal elite has lasted since about 1985." Edited by hedgehog50 (06 Mar 2017 6.57pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 06 Mar 17 6.56pm

Originally posted by tome

What do you think this 'liberal / left agenda' is and why do you think these 'elite' pursue it?

Rod Liddle summed this up well in a recent issue of the Spectator: "Try being a social worker who thinks gay adoptions are problematic. Or a doctor who disproves of abortion or gender transitioning. Or a student who quite likes Germaine Greer and wearing a sombrero. Or a teacher who thinks Trump is maybe OK. (The headmaster at a school in south London recently told pupils that if any child uttered the same sorts of words as Donald Trump about immigration, they'd be excluded.) Try being a judge who thinks an awful lot of hate crimes are imaginary or vexatious. In all cases you'd be drummed out. No job, You'd be finished. There would be tribunals - where you would be judged by other upholders of the liberal elite - and you'd be out. That is what we mean by the liberal elite."

Liddle also addressed the notion mentioned here that we have had years of non left liberals in these positions: "I remember as a speechwriter for the Labour party in the early 1980s suggesting that we do something in support of the teachers, who were complaining about pay.'F**k them - they're all Tories' I was told. And so statistically they were at the time. And in the 1970s the BBC, the Church of England, the judiciary and the emergent quangos were small 'c' conservative. Elites last for about two generations. Our liberal elite has lasted since about 1985."

Edited by hedgehog50 (06 Mar 2017 6.57pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Mar 17 8.23pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Which illustrates your touching naivete about the way such matters happen at times in the real world,on all sides of the ideological divide Your condescension, self righteousness and obvious chip on the shoulder are quite quaint too. I know all I need to know about Ricky Tomlison thanks. Kisses.
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