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Phil H Flag 02 Mar 17 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Phil H Add Phil H as a friend

Originally posted by MrCParrot

Video referees will save us all

Parrot

I agree. Look at the rugby - the ref refers difficult decisions upstairs. It's transparent. I know football flows differently but in the Prem each manager should be able to review a non-penalty decision at the next suitable break in play, limited to two per match. And for fairness each penalty decision should be checked on video.
Also every goal should be checked for offside - ask Southampton about that, missing out on the first goal against Manure cos of incompetence. It's pathetic that each post-match analysis on MOTD starts with a discussion of the penalty shouts.

 

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Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 03 Mar 17 9.17am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by stuckinbristol


Not trying to be pedantic, but I seem to remember Pulis giving Jim Mac quite a dressing down for an elaborate dive.

I assume that would be as an opposing manager given that Pulis had left before Jimmy Mc had signed?

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 03 Mar 17 9.29am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by Phil H

I agree. Look at the rugby - the ref refers difficult decisions upstairs. It's transparent. I know football flows differently but in the Prem each manager should be able to review a non-penalty decision at the next suitable break in play, limited to two per match. And for fairness each penalty decision should be checked on video.
Also every goal should be checked for offside - ask Southampton about that, missing out on the first goal against Manure cos of incompetence. It's pathetic that each post-match analysis on MOTD starts with a discussion of the penalty shouts.

Even video replays are tricky for pens. In the Man City Huddersfield game, there was several penalty shouts, and difference of opinion across the commentators and pundits on which were and were no penalties (for what it's worth, I though Danny Murphy had a shocker - said that one was a definite penalty, another probably not, when the two were almost identical and in my opinion neither was a penalty)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 9.35am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by npn

Even video replays are tricky for pens. In the Man City Huddersfield game, there was several penalty shouts, and difference of opinion across the commentators and pundits on which were and were no penalties (for what it's worth, I though Danny Murphy had a shocker - said that one was a definite penalty, another probably not, when the two were almost identical and in my opinion neither was a penalty)

Absolutely correct.

Regards the Man C v Huddersfield game,despite umpteen replays using 'Slow-Mo' a consensus could not be reached.Such things are often not a matter of 'Fact' like goalline technology when the ball is either in or out.I understand the calls for video technology but it is not a panacea and there will still be disputes.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 9.36am)

 

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Phil H Flag 03 Mar 17 9.56am Send a Private Message to Phil H Add Phil H as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely correct.

Regards the Man C v Huddersfield game,despite umpteen replays using 'Slow-Mo' a consensus could not be reached.Such things are often not a matter of 'Fact' like goalline technology when the ball is either in or out.I understand the calls for video technology but it is not a panacea and there will still be disputes.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 9.36am)

I think these points are fair but at least having a fourth official take a good look would take the heat out of the situation. And avoid the insanely wrong calls which occur when the ref's vision is impeded when everyone at home and in the studio can see it but not the ref.

 

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chateauferret Flag 03 Mar 17 9.59am

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely correct.

Regards the Man C v Huddersfield game,despite umpteen replays using 'Slow-Mo' a consensus could not be reached.Such things are often not a matter of 'Fact' like goalline technology when the ball is either in or out.I understand the calls for video technology but it is not a panacea and there will still be disputes.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 9.36am)

It is a matter of fact that Madley's decision to book McArthur instead of giving a penalty was clearly wrong. That is just an example.

Referees don't want this help because it would expose their dishonesty and incompetence. If they were honest they would welcome it with open arms.

 


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alaneagle1 Flag Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 03 Mar 17 10.00am Send a Private Message to alaneagle1 Add alaneagle1 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Absolutely correct.

Regards the Man C v Huddersfield game,despite umpteen replays using 'Slow-Mo' a consensus could not be reached.Such things are often not a matter of 'Fact' like goalline technology when the ball is either in or out.I understand the calls for video technology but it is not a panacea and there will still be disputes.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 9.36am)

Goddess of universal remedy.

 


Palace 13th 2017/18.

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 10.04am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Phil H

I think these points are fair but at least having a fourth official take a good look would take the heat out of the situation. And avoid the insanely wrong calls which occur when the ref's vision is impeded when everyone at home and in the studio can see it but not the ref.

It is a very interesting debate as to how and when technology should be used.For instance, is EVERY goal reviewed in case there was an infringement ? Is EVERY tackle in the area that could possibly be a penalty reviewed ? What are the guidelines for reviews - what are the parameters ? As ever when one 'drills down' the devil lies in the detail.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 10.09am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

It is a matter of fact that Madley's decision to book McArthur instead of giving a penalty was clearly wrong. That is just an example.

Referees don't want this help because it would expose their dishonesty and incompetence. If they were honest they would welcome it with open arms.

This is not a matter of FACT which I am referring to. I am talking about clear-cut issues like the ball being in or out of the goal IE Goalline technology.

Other matters come down to interpretation ie What IS a hand's unnatural or natural position ? A few inches here or there and it can be construed as one or the other.
Even a tackle can be open to dispute with some thinking it should be a 'Red', others a 'Yellow'. I have even heard of the term 'Orange' being used !

Clear 'Matters of fact' are not disputable (Goalline technology), others can create a debate where there is no consensus at all.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 10.21am)

 

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chateauferret Flag 03 Mar 17 11.30am

Originally posted by Willo

This is not a matter of FACT which I am referring to. I am talking about clear-cut issues like the ball being in or out of the goal IE Goalline technology.

Other matters come down to interpretation ie What IS a hand's unnatural or natural position ? A few inches here or there and it can be construed as one or the other.
Even a tackle can be open to dispute with some thinking it should be a 'Red', others a 'Yellow'. I have even heard of the term 'Orange' being used !

Clear 'Matters of fact' are not disputable (Goalline technology), others can create a debate where there is no consensus at all.

Edited by Willo (03 Mar 2017 10.21am)

It's a matter of fact becaus the only two people who dispute it are a) Madley himself and b) you.

My point is that this like a great many cases are open and shut and are harldy matters for the kind of interpretation you suggest.

There is no point in trying to run when you can't yet walk.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Mar 17 11.54am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by chateauferret

It's a matter of fact becaus the only two people who dispute it are a) Madley himself and b) you.

My point is that this like a great many cases are open and shut and are harldy matters for the kind of interpretation you suggest.

There is no point in trying to run when you can't yet walk.

With respect, 'Open and shut' cases are whether the ball crossed the line or not.

I don't agree that others incidents are as 'Open and shut' as you suggest and are open to a great deal of interpretation but I can envisage cases where it enters such a category.
Video techology won't be a panacea as has been demonstrated by a lack of consensus amongst those who have seen umpteen 'Slow-Mo' replays.There could still be healthy and fiesty debate even after a decision has been reached using technology ! We have to have something to argue about down the pub !

 

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Username Flag Horsham 03 Mar 17 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Username Add Username as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, 'Open and shut' cases are whether the ball crossed the line or not.

I don't agree that others incidents are as 'Open and shut' as you suggest and are open to a great deal of interpretation but I can envisage cases where it enters such a category.
Video techology won't be a panacea as has been demonstrated by a lack of consensus amongst those who have seen umpteen 'Slow-Mo' replays.There could still be healthy and fiesty debate even after a decision has been reached using technology ! We have to have something to argue about down the pub !


Whilst it is far from perfect, and plenty of people moan about it, in both NFL and Cricket there is the concept of the 'on field call' or 'umpires call' when it comes to teams challenging decisions.

In the event of a close decision which isn't absolutely nailed on, the decision stays as it was called orginally if the TV evidence isn't conclusive.

There has to be conclusive proof that a decision was incorrect.

So for example, if teams had one challenge per game then we could potentially have challenge Snodgrass' penalty and Southampton could have challenged the Gabbiadini offside. In more debateable situations, Wilf on Saturday for example, the call would remain the same.

The added impact of these to me, is not only to fix obviously bad decisions, but also empower and encourage referees to make calls in the first place.

It lessens the need for a referee to feel like he's playing it safe?


 


Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

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