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Eagle123456 23 Jan 17 4.48pm
Originally posted by eagle@ tn34 I agree about adebyor... But thats the essence of january windows if youre down the bottom you have to buy more wisely than if youre at the top, and the prices are very high this year due to I suppose tv money and china.. COYP I guess we will agree to disagree COYP
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Eagle123456

23 Jan 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by eagle@ tn34

I agree about adebyor...
But thats the essence of january windows if youre down the bottom you have to buy more wisely than if youre at the top, and the prices are very high this year due to I suppose tv money and china..
COYP

I guess we will agree to disagree
COYP

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jan 17 4.54pm
Originally posted by Eagle123456 I'm sorry, but if this is Parish at his best, then it's probably time to hire staff that can negotiate for him You do not think he does all the negotiating on his own do you?? If you do then I think you should start looking at the structure of our club and see what some of the hierarchy actually do behind the scenes as it is not as easy as you tend to think! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jan 17 4.54pm

Originally posted by Eagle123456

I'm sorry, but if this is Parish at his best, then it's probably time to hire staff that can negotiate for him

You do not think he does all the negotiating on his own do you??
If you do then I think you should start looking at the structure of our club and see what some of the hierarchy actually do behind the scenes as it is not as easy as you tend to think!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Eagle123456 23 Jan 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by susmik You do not think he does all the negotiating on his own do you?? If you do then I think you should start looking at the structure of our club and see what some of the hierarchy actually do behind the scenes as it is not as easy as you tend to think! I think he tends to do alot of negotia ting himself, hence why we are outbid many times by teams in and around us. Surely we don't have a negotatior that's employed by the club who keeps bidding under the odds for players, have a look at the Benteke situation, we sat on our thumbs for nigh on 2 months just to haggle over 3 million or so. If a negotatior in any other profession did that, they'd be sacked by now. Edited by Eagle123456 (23 Jan 2017 5.00pm)
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23 Jan 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by susmik

I think he tends to do alot of negotia ting himself, hence why we are outbid many times by teams in and around us. Surely we don't have a negotatior that's employed by the club who keeps bidding under the odds for players, have a look at the Benteke situation, we sat on our thumbs for nigh on 2 months just to haggle over 3 million or so. If a negotatior in any other profession did that, they'd be sacked by now.

Edited by Eagle123456 (23 Jan 2017 5.00pm)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jan 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Eagle123456 I think he tends to do alot of negotia ting himself, hence why we are outbid many times by teams in and around us. Surely we don't have a negotatior that's employed by the club who keeps bidding under the odds for players, have a look at the Benteke situation, we sat on our thumbs for nigh on 2 months just to haggle over 3 million or so. If a negotatior in any other profession did that, they'd be sacked by now. Edited by Eagle123456 (23 Jan 2017 5.00pm) I think you should be doing your homework or you will be in trouble at school tomorrow Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Jan 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Eagle123456

Edited by Eagle123456 (23 Jan 2017 5.00pm)

I think you should be doing your homework or you will be in trouble at school tomorrow

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Eagle123456 23 Jan 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by susmik I think you should be doing your homework or you will be in trouble at school tomorrow Of course
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23 Jan 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by susmik

I think you should be doing your homework or you will be in trouble at school tomorrow

Of course

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Joe Bloggs Nr Norwich 23 Jan 17 5.44pm
As some one now retired who used to negotiate huge contracts very successfully-I think you have to consider a few of important points. The fact that Parish has run a business and the Palace since 2010 is not relevant to his personal knowledge of the game,these are separate issues...I have made that point previously and some Einstein GoldDick on here was a bit of an idiot towards me. He appointed Ian Moody who was obviously influential in signing signing Mutch and Campbell for example. The board make the managerial appointments and their judgement or lack of it decides how we make progress. On financial matters SP takes the security of the club very much to heart and as a consequence is very risk averse. He gets stick because of the signings and apparently admitted he signed Kebe and as I understand it,also Sako ( not Pardew ) so in a sense he has created the image of involvement in dealings. No names are necessary to identify the wasted money. I doubt that our need for a decent scouting system has been met. Having commented I would not want any one else as chairman but you can be too close to the problems to see the trees.
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Nr Norwich 23 Jan 17 5.44pm

As some one now retired who used to negotiate huge contracts very successfully-I think you have to consider a few of important points.

The fact that Parish has run a business and the Palace since 2010 is not relevant to his personal knowledge of the game,these are separate issues...I have made that point previously and some Einstein GoldDick on here was a bit of an idiot towards me.

He appointed Ian Moody who was obviously influential in signing signing Mutch and Campbell for example.

The board make the managerial appointments and their judgement or lack of it decides how we make progress.

On financial matters SP takes the security of the club very much to heart and as a consequence is very risk averse.
He gets stick because of the signings and apparently admitted he signed Kebe and as I understand it,also Sako ( not Pardew ) so in a sense he has created the image of involvement in dealings.

No names are necessary to identify the wasted money.

I doubt that our need for a decent scouting system has been met.

Having commented I would not want any one else as chairman but you can be too close to the problems to see the trees.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Jan 17 6.29pm
Originally posted by Joe Bloggs As some one now retired who used to negotiate huge contracts very successfully-I think you have to consider a few of important points. The fact that Parish has run a business and the Palace since 2010 is not relevant to his personal knowledge of the game,these are separate issues...I have made that point previously and some Einstein GoldDick on here was a bit of an idiot towards me. He appointed Ian Moody who was obviously influential in signing signing Mutch and Campbell for example. The board make the managerial appointments and their judgement or lack of it decides how we make progress. On financial matters SP takes the security of the club very much to heart and as a consequence is very risk averse. He gets stick because of the signings and apparently admitted he signed Kebe and as I understand it,also Sako ( not Pardew ) so in a sense he has created the image of involvement in dealings. No names are necessary to identify the wasted money. I doubt that our need for a decent scouting system has been met. Having commented I would not want any one else as chairman but you can be too close to the problems to see the trees. 100% agree. Been thinking on those exact lines for the last couple of seasons. He has been over-reaching himself and is, perhaps, in denial with regard to needing help. Edited by Kermit8 (23 Jan 2017 6.30pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Jan 17 6.29pm

Originally posted by Joe Bloggs

As some one now retired who used to negotiate huge contracts very successfully-I think you have to consider a few of important points.

He appointed Ian Moody who was obviously influential in signing signing Mutch and Campbell for example.

The board make the managerial appointments and their judgement or lack of it decides how we make progress.

No names are necessary to identify the wasted money.

I doubt that our need for a decent scouting system has been met.

Having commented I would not want any one else as chairman but you can be too close to the problems to see the trees.

100% agree. Been thinking on those exact lines for the last couple of seasons. He has been over-reaching himself and is, perhaps, in denial with regard to needing help.

Edited by Kermit8 (23 Jan 2017 6.30pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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Booted Eagle Bristol 23 Jan 17 6.38pm
Originally posted by Mad4palace They can also increase it through other sources of increased revenue, for instance; Manchester City have increased theirs by over £32M this term. I'm not sure if they have breached the rules there or not. We supposedly have a wage bill of £55m, only and increase of £0.7m from last year. so you'd assume we can increase that by £6.3m here in January. Those figures could be wrong as we did acquire Benteke and Townsend on big salaries and only offloaded Adebayor and Bolasie on biggish money. Although we did offload Hangeland, Mariappa, Jedinak, Gayle, Chamakh. So cumulatively they could have added up, I think Mariappa was on quite a good deal. Interestingly, Leicester could increase their wage bill by £17.8M this term because their wages last season were only £48.2M (under the £54M cap). Apparently we have the 15th highest wages, I'm not sure how trustworthy most of sources out there are though. [Link] Edited by Mad4palace (23 Jan 2017 11.03am) All sorts going on at Citeh. Aren't their shirt sponsors actually the owners ? “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 23 Jan 17 6.38pm

Originally posted by Mad4palace

They can also increase it through other sources of increased revenue, for instance; Manchester City have increased theirs by over £32M this term. I'm not sure if they have breached the rules there or not.

We supposedly have a wage bill of £55m, only and increase of £0.7m from last year. so you'd assume we can increase that by £6.3m here in January. Those figures could be wrong as we did acquire Benteke and Townsend on big salaries and only offloaded Adebayor and Bolasie on biggish money. Although we did offload Hangeland, Mariappa, Jedinak, Gayle, Chamakh. So cumulatively they could have added up, I think Mariappa was on quite a good deal.

Interestingly, Leicester could increase their wage bill by £17.8M this term because their wages last season were only £48.2M (under the £54M cap).

Apparently we have the 15th highest wages, I'm not sure how trustworthy most of sources out there are though.

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Edited by Mad4palace (23 Jan 2017 11.03am)

All sorts going on at Citeh. Aren't their shirt sponsors actually the owners ?

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Painter Croydon 23 Jan 17 6.57pm
Originally posted by bubble wrap Its not false, Bournmouth offered a bigger signing on fee whilst we did match his wage demands. I beleive there is a bonus put in his contract too which we didnt offer. If we truly want some of the players we are bidding for then Parish has to get it done. We must be miles away from breaching FFP and all the other clubs seem to manage ok getting players in. You keep making things up. Arsenal set his wages, as under contract to them, so how can Parish not meet his demands? He chose Bournemouth for other reasons, nothing to do with money.
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Croydon 23 Jan 17 6.57pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Its not false, Bournmouth offered a bigger signing on fee whilst we did match his wage demands. I beleive there is a bonus put in his contract too which we didnt offer.
If we truly want some of the players we are bidding for then Parish has to get it done. We must be miles away from breaching FFP and all the other clubs seem to manage ok getting players in.

You keep making things up. Arsenal set his wages, as under contract to them, so how can Parish not meet his demands? He chose Bournemouth for other reasons, nothing to do with money.

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Painter Croydon 23 Jan 17 7.08pm
Originally posted by susmik Some of our fans live in cuckoo land saying Steve Parish is at fault for not bringing in players mentioned in the past two weeks or so. Palace and Arsenal had agreed a price and it was all set for Jenkinson to join us but out of the blue his agent asked for some stupid amount in wages. I am so glad SP told him to poke it. If the bloke wants to sit on Arsenals bench collecting £40,000 a week and not playing that's his prerogative but it is not doing his career any good NOT playing football. SP is doing his level best to get the players in that BFS wants and as some posters have already said the agents and prices of players have to slot into place and be affordable to get a player over the line and into the club. We still have time to get players in before the window closes so please have some faith in the people doing their best to keep us in the premiership and not keep slagging them off.. I don't normally agree with your posts, but you are spot on here. I am sure Parish and Sam are trying as hard as they can to get players in, but January is a notoriously difficult window. We only need players, who are better than we have and other teams don't want to let players go, as they don't have time to get a replacement in. So you are left picking up players not in clubs first team plans ie Mutch or someone like Schlupp who wants to play and has potential. Players like Jenkinson are not the players we want, happy to pick up a £40k a week sitting in the reserves.
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Painter

Croydon 23 Jan 17 7.08pm

Originally posted by susmik

Some of our fans live in cuckoo land saying Steve Parish is at fault for not bringing in players mentioned in the past two weeks or so. Palace and Arsenal had agreed a price and it was all set for Jenkinson to join us but out of the blue his agent asked for some stupid amount in wages. I am so glad SP told him to poke it. If the bloke wants to sit on Arsenals bench collecting £40,000 a week and not playing that's his prerogative but it is not doing his career any good NOT playing football. SP is doing his level best to get the players in that BFS wants and as some posters have already said the agents and prices of players have to slot into place and be affordable to get a player over the line and into the club. We still have time to get players in before the window closes so please have some faith in the people doing their best to keep us in the premiership and not keep slagging them off..

I don't normally agree with your posts, but you are spot on here. I am sure Parish and Sam are trying as hard as they can to get players in, but January is a notoriously difficult window. We only need players, who are better than we have and other teams don't want to let players go, as they don't have time to get a replacement in.
So you are left picking up players not in clubs first team plans ie Mutch or someone like Schlupp who wants to play and has potential. Players like Jenkinson are not the players we want, happy to pick up a £40k a week sitting in the reserves.

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Icepick Tony Chester 23 Jan 17 7.27pm
Originally posted by bubble wrap Its not false, Bournmouth offered a bigger signing on fee whilst we did match his wage demands. I beleive there is a bonus put in his contract too which we didnt offer. If we truly want some of the players we are bidding for then Parish has to get it done. We must be miles away from breaching FFP and all the other clubs seem to manage ok getting players in. I don't think that we are far from breaking FFP, Parish always said he wanted to run the club so it was sustainable, most clubs don't and are happy to risk spending more than they can in the hope it keeps them in the promised land. I don't think Parish will do that unless he is convinced it will make us better. Most players in the January window won't do that and will cost a lot more in the process, sadly a gamble that he won't take IMO. "They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway
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Chester 23 Jan 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

I don't think that we are far from breaking FFP, Parish always said he wanted to run the club so it was sustainable, most clubs don't and are happy to risk spending more than they can in the hope it keeps them in the promised land. I don't think Parish will do that unless he is convinced it will make us better. Most players in the January window won't do that and will cost a lot more in the process, sadly a gamble that he won't take IMO.

"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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Maine Eagle USA 23 Jan 17 8.49pm
Originally posted by susmik Some of our fans live in cuckoo land saying Steve Parish is at fault for not bringing in players mentioned in the past two weeks or so. Palace and Arsenal had agreed a price and it was all set for Jenkinson to join us but out of the blue his agent asked for some stupid amount in wages. I am so glad SP told him to poke it. If the bloke wants to sit on Arsenals bench collecting £40,000 a week and not playing that's his prerogative but it is not doing his career any good NOT playing football. SP is doing his level best to get the players in that BFS wants and as some posters have already said the agents and prices of players have to slot into place and be affordable to get a player over the line and into the club. We still have time to get players in before the window closes so please have some faith in the people doing their best to keep us in the premiership and not keep slagging them off.. I live in the real world, let me tell you about it - you are accountable for the decisions you make and the effect your leadership has on the group you lead. There isnt a chairman in the league who wouldnt have fired Pardew minimum 3 but maybe 6 months earlier. We were awful back end of last year apart from the cup run. I am not a sheep who blindly follows and supports anyone who works for CPFC without questioning a single thing they do - that is cloud cuckoo land. Parish has gone a long way to getting us relegated. He is personally accountable for how bad we are right now. He needed to recognize that Pardew was totally wrong for us MONTHS earlier, not even weeks. Cue the chorus of 'real fans' who think Parish walks on water and is beyond reproach. He is a human being who makes mistakes like all of us, problem is the mistakes he has already made and seems to continue to make are going to get us relegated. I see some on here think that wouldn't be such a bad thing, maybe in 10 years time they might reconsider that. We are finally on a good road to sorting out the ground, the academy, the scouting network, etc etc. Relegation would destroy all of that in a heartbeat. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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USA 23 Jan 17 8.49pm

Originally posted by susmik

I live in the real world, let me tell you about it - you are accountable for the decisions you make and the effect your leadership has on the group you lead. There isnt a chairman in the league who wouldnt have fired Pardew minimum 3 but maybe 6 months earlier. We were awful back end of last year apart from the cup run. I am not a sheep who blindly follows and supports anyone who works for CPFC without questioning a single thing they do - that is cloud cuckoo land. Parish has gone a long way to getting us relegated. He is personally accountable for how bad we are right now. He needed to recognize that Pardew was totally wrong for us MONTHS earlier, not even weeks. Cue the chorus of 'real fans' who think Parish walks on water and is beyond reproach. He is a human being who makes mistakes like all of us, problem is the mistakes he has already made and seems to continue to make are going to get us relegated. I see some on here think that wouldn't be such a bad thing, maybe in 10 years time they might reconsider that. We are finally on a good road to sorting out the ground, the academy, the scouting network, etc etc. Relegation would destroy all of that in a heartbeat.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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