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jamiemartin721  Reading 16 Jan 17 9.59am |
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Also the tax on cigarettes, generates more money as a net, than the cost in health care. Maybe we should have a society where everyone is forced to exercise, monitored to make sure they don't break the health laws and those who transgress are sent to room 808 for re-education.
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| .TUX. 16 Jan 17 10.11am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Those people pay tax and NI (indeed, in many cases additional taxes). Lets not turn into a health fascism state (they also die younger on average, and thus cost the state less in old age care and support). We could penalise people who play sports - as they're likely to suffer injuries that the NHS will need to treat. On the flip side, if we do, I would like a tax rebate as I don't have children (so that's say 25 years of tax I've spent, that others have indulgently had as child benefit, education and health care). As I'm 45 without kids, and never going to have kids. The NHS must be for all of the people, all of the time, irrespective of their lifestyle or choices. The point of democracy and freedom, is we have to accept that others are different, make different choices and are entitled to do so, as are we. Well said (as usual).
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 Midlands Eagle 16 Jan 17 10.15am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ban smokers and junk food addicts from accessing the NHS. Problem solved. If you do that you will just exacerbate the problem as you will be removing the thousands of obese smokers that work in the NHS leaving them even more short staffed
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Kermit8  Hevon 16 Jan 17 10.16am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Those people pay tax and NI (indeed, in many cases additional taxes). Lets not turn into a health fascism state (they also die younger on average, and thus cost the state less in old age care and support). We could penalise people who play sports - as they're likely to suffer injuries that the NHS will need to treat. On the flip side, if we do, I would like a tax rebate as I don't have children (so that's say 25 years of tax I've spent, that others have indulgently had as child benefit, education and health care). As I'm 45 without kids, and never going to have kids. The NHS must be for all of the people, all of the time, irrespective of their lifestyle or choices. The point of democracy and freedom, is we have to accept that others are different, make different choices and are entitled to do so, as are we. So if the negative and indulgent lifestyle choices of the minority impinge on the well-being of the majority then everyone is just supposed to accept it in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'? Football thugs back in the 70's and 80's would have approved of that. And if the NHS is brought to its knees, and in no small part by smokers and other 'avoidables', again we just have to wave it goodbye as it sails off into the distance? That's not freedom. That's just self-inflicted wounding. Direct action is needed for the benefit of the institution and its biggest problem is people who are ill, funnily enough. And £5billion a year, at least, of its funding goes on tobacco lovers. And the amount of medical and nursing hours spent on those patients? And the beds taken? They deserve treatment, of course, but as it is very much a lifestyle choice to make themselves ill i think it only fair they they stump up more than the rest and have private insurance too. Edited by Kermit8 (16 Jan 2017 10.20am)
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| .TUX. 16 Jan 17 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So if the negative and indulgent lifestyle choices of the minority impinge on the well-being of the majority then everyone is just supposed to accept it in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'? Football thugs back in the 70's and 80's would have approved of that. And if the NHS is brought to its knees, and in no small part by smokers and other 'avoidables', again we just have to wave it goodbye as it sails off into the distance? That's not freedom. That's just self-inflicted wounding. Direct action is needed for the benefit of the institution and its biggest problem is people who are ill, funnily enough. And £5billion a year, at least, of its funding goes on tobacco lovers. Where does the surplus gained from cigarette taxation go?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 16 Jan 17 10.21am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Where does the surplus gained from cigarette taxation go? Defence, education, social services, roadworks etc and some on the Nhs i guess. also, it's not just about money. It's looking at ways to ease the people pressure, the patient numbers, on the NHS. Edited by Kermit8 (16 Jan 2017 10.27am)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 16 Jan 17 11.12am |
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When wasn't the NHS reported as being "in crisis"? Demand will always outstrip supply in this field. Patient demands are unconstrained by prices - even in private provision where an insurer will usually pick up the bill. Incentives to behave economically are practically non-existent too. Hence, "perpetual crisis".
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Jan 17 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ban smokers and junk food addicts from accessing the NHS. Problem solved. Don't forget the alcoholic bingers turning up at A&E Thursday through to Sunday with their self induced injuries and those poor souls who haven't been drinking but are the victims of some alcohol fuelled accident.
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Jan 17 11.22am | |
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It is if you are on benefits and don't pay tax or NI.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 17 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
It is if you are on benefits and don't pay tax or NI. That's all children then! How many adults in the UK have never paid NI?
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 16 Jan 17 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So you finally admit that it is a cause. These sodding immigrants coming into the country working in our hospitals caring for patients and paying taxes. Who needs em.......
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jan 17 12.59pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
These sodding immigrants coming into the country working in our hospitals caring for patients and paying taxes. Who needs em....... Well I would respond, but the powers that be have decided to yellow carded me. This is basically a license for those inclined to abuse me with any accusations they please and I cannot respond in kind. Given that, I have decided not to bother posting. It's not a level playing field when you can get called a racist for having an opinion on immigration, with no punishment for the abuser, and get yellow carded for retaliation.
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