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lindzay  02 Jan 17 1.28am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Yes, thanks. Do you know what you're talking about, though?
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 NickinOX Sailing country. 02 Jan 17 2.17am |
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Did you actually read that list? There are a bunch of things in there that never actually happened. Or, if they did, were bad.
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| NickinOX Sailing country. 02 Jan 17 2.19am |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
That's what happens when you militarize the police That's another problem that has compounded the issue of police violence. Indeed, many of the incidents of police shootings have not involved officers armed with assault rifles or driving armored cars. They involve extremely aggressive policing, which is based upon training changes in many parts of the US which were thought to reduce the risk of injury to police officers. They did, but at a massive cost in terms of police shootings.
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nhp61  Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 02 Jan 17 10.25pm |
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Obama struck me as weak. That feeling was compounded when he threateningly warned Syria that using chemical weapons in their civil war would "cross a red line". Chemical weapons were used, and Obama did nothing. I'm still trying to work out how he managed to win the Nobel Prize For Peace so soon into his stint as President. I'm guessing they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, just like the time they decided to award one to the EU.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jan 17 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I must admit Obama really has been a disappointment as President this last 8 years. What has he achieved of any significance and lasting value?
In a large part hampered by a republican control of the senate. I think some of what he tried to introduce in terms of gun control and health care were impressive, but largely doomed to being shot down without a Democrat control of Congress.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jan 17 11.30am |
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Originally posted by nhp61
Obama struck me as weak. That feeling was compounded when he threateningly warned Syria that using chemical weapons in their civil war would "cross a red line". Chemical weapons were used, and Obama did nothing. I'm still trying to work out how he managed to win the Nobel Prize For Peace so soon into his stint as President. I'm guessing they were scraping the bottom of the barrel, just like the time they decided to award one to the EU. Me too, but I think ultimately it was awarded for not being George W Bush!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jan 17 11.33am |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
That's another problem that has compounded the issue of police violence. Indeed, many of the incidents of police shootings have not involved officers armed with assault rifles or driving armored cars. They involve extremely aggressive policing, which is based upon training changes in many parts of the US which were thought to reduce the risk of injury to police officers. They did, but at a massive cost in terms of police shootings. The police are state controlled, not federally controlled, which means the influence the president has over them is limited. The US has a massive problem with disparity in police training, funding, pay, discipline and control from state to state, and even within different counties within states. Add to that the pressure placed on 'policing to achieve targets' set by political candidates, and concepts such as zero tolerance and aggressive policing strategies from the war on drugs, the US has effectively created a conflict of interest between people in poor and low income areas, and the police who are pursuing agendas largely set to apeeal to voters from wealthier and upper working class areas
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jan 17 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
For some reason, one I can't quite put my finger on, the chattering class thought that the election of Obama was the dawning of some kind of new, enlightened era. What a load of old bollocks that was. Well it was, when you consider who he replaced as president. Then again, you could have put a dog in the White House after George W Bush, and it would have looked like a new, enlightened era.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 03 Jan 17 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The Obama administration has been in power for eight years. It has pursued a benign foreign policy in those 8 years. Yet a few weeks before they handover power, this administration raises tensions in the Middle East through provoking Israel and s*** stirs with Russia, leaving Trump, a man they said during the election would destabilise the World, to deal with the fall out. As if there wasn't enough s*** flying around at the moment with Syria, Turkey, ISIS, etc., the administration decided to fling some more in the air: One cannot help but think that the Obama administration is trying to destabilise Trump by destabilising the World. If that is the case, then Obama, et al., should hang their heads in shame and we should welcome Trump, who already is showing a maturity in diplomacy by attempting to thaw relations with Russia. Goodbye Obama, Hilary, Kerry, etc. You won't be missed. Edited by matt_himself (31 Dec 2016 9.13am) Obama's presidency has been remarkably successful when you consider the blockages and impediments he has faced. But I would agree with the stance in the above. The policy on Russia and Israel could have been reversed at any point during the last 8 years. Why wait until the last month of your administration?
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 03 Jan 17 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well it was, when you consider who he replaced as president. Then again, you could have put a dog in the White House after George W Bush, and it would have looked like a new, enlightened era. Dubya was a fine president, Jamie, as you well know.
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| NickinOX Sailing country. 03 Jan 17 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The police are state controlled, not federally controlled, which means the influence the president has over them is limited. The US has a massive problem with disparity in police training, funding, pay, discipline and control from state to state, and even within different counties within states. Add to that the pressure placed on 'policing to achieve targets' set by political candidates, and concepts such as zero tolerance and aggressive policing strategies from the war on drugs, the US has effectively created a conflict of interest between people in poor and low income areas, and the police who are pursuing agendas largely set to apeeal to voters from wealthier and upper working class areas No. There are town police, county, state police, and federal ones too. The main problems have come from the town and county police who are typically the least well trained and paid.
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| nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 03 Jan 17 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
No. There are town police, county, state police, and federal ones too. The main problems have come from the town and county police who are typically the least well trained and paid. On my travels around the US, I saw all those you mentioned above, and State Troopers, Sheriffs, Metropolitan Police, University Police and others. Unlike the UK where police uniforms and vehicle liveries are virtually identical all over the country, each US police department wear different uniforms and their vehicle liveries differed greatly.
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