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mattteo 19 Dec 16 8.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Username
The summer was an unfinished job for sure, but that's definitely been exacerbated by injury.
Gayle has had 15 goals and 2 assists in 2.700 minutes in the Premier League. Nevermind the Championship and the Cups, where he rocked. IN the last 2.800 minutes in the PL Benteke has had 17 goals and 4 assists. That MAY seem better than Gayle, but 3 of his goals were penalty kicks, therefore I only leave him at 14 goals and 4 assists in 2.800 minutes, very much as Gayle. Anyway, I WAS RIGHT when I told you Gayle is too good to keep on the bench. Now he's gone, he's the star of the Championship, the goalscorer, on his way up with Newcastle and he's wanted by half the Premier League clubs. Good for him! Who lost in this?
Newcastle knew this, you don;t
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 19 Dec 16 8.22pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Gayle has had 15 goals and 2 assists in 2.700 minutes in the Premier League. Nevermind the Championship and the Cups, where he rocked. IN the last 2.800 minutes in the PL Benteke has had 17 goals and 4 assists. That MAY seem better than Gayle, but 3 of his goals were penalty kicks, therefore I only leave him at 14 goals and 4 assists in 2.800 minutes, very much as Gayle. Anyway, I WAS RIGHT when I told you Gayle is too good to keep on the bench. Now he's gone, he's the star of the Championship, the goalscorer, on his way up with Newcastle and he's wanted by half the Premier League clubs. Good for him! Who lost in this?
Newcastle knew this, you don;t Yeah but your favourite player is Andros Townsend.
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ThatPetrolRelation Ottawa 19 Dec 16 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Yeah but your favourite player is Andros Townsend. Gayle always seemed fine when he had some time on the ball. You get more time on the ball in the Championship, and I assume he's not a lone striker again top class CBs. Gayle would have been great to have on the bench, but he didn't want to sit on the bench. He got many opportunities, but he didn't make the most of them. Next season he'll have the chance to prove he's prem quality, and prove all the managers who saw him as a bench player wrong. If he bangs in 15 next season, he'll be able to say "I told you so". If not, he'll be like Murray, a legend in the Championship, but just a good player in the Prem.
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rawpalace05 Saltdean 19 Dec 16 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle
In my opinion Kelly was one of our better players yesterday. He was solid in defence and put in 2 or 3 excellent crosses. Ward also looked OK down the left. I have never thought Fryers is perm class but not seen enough of him to judge. Hennessy was at fault for the goal. His position was wrong and should have come for it. Kelly was excellent
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mattteo 19 Dec 16 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by ThatPetrolRelation
Gayle would have been great to have on the bench, but he didn't want to sit on the bench. He got many opportunities, but he didn't make the most of them.
What would you have wanted him to do? What did he need to do to get recognition?
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OldFella London 19 Dec 16 11.36pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
...he's no manager. Last time I commented on this site was 6-8 months ago when I begged you guys to support Gayle and push the coach into using him. I don't know how happy you guys are about Benteke, some feel he has started well, but Gayle is a huge loss. Now please, listen to me. This guy (Pardew) is impressive at being bad. You can't win many games with Kelly and Ward as full backs. Not even Souare is match winning material, but at least he was a left footed left back. Why in God's name doesn't the team have a left footed backup for the left back position? What was the manager thinking? And keeping Townsend soo long on the bench in the Chelsea game when Puncheon was soo out of it... The man wasn't even trying to run on the pitch, he had even sustained an injury!! Townsend needs to play as LEFT WING every match. He can cross amazingly fast for the striker. Yet, Pardew kept sending him in as right wing (even in the Chelsea game). Townsend doesn't have the technical ability to play on the opposite side of his favourite foot. All he knows from that position is to cut in and shoot. And Zaha is like that too. Playing Zaha and Townsend as inverted wingers destroys the team. They're not Robben, Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar or Mahrez to be able to do that. They're fast and athletic. Use them to run past defenders and cross!! I've read some saying that the team played well against Chelsea and that Pardew should stay. Honestly, from an impartial point of view, Palace was awful. It was one of the worst displays of a home side I've seen. You are so scared of Chelsea, but outside of having a good run, that team hasn't got much. They might not finish in the top 4. They only have 3 attacking players (Hazard, Costa and Willian/Pedro), the rest are all defenders.
On balance, fair to say you haven't been missed...
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Dec 16 11.41pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
What would you have wanted him to do? What did he need to do to get recognition? Gayle made little impact in 1st halves of Prem football.
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james03 Bangkok 20 Dec 16 1.34am | |
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Really? People are still going on about Gayle? The lad can score goals we know that. In the Championship he was always going to get 20+ in a season, especially when he is with the leagues top team. His problem is that he does nothing else, he does not contribute to the team in any other way thus we were effectively a ten man team when Gayle played - we rarely dominated games so his chances of scoring were limited. I believe he should have been loaned out to a Championship club two tears ago. The only chance we had was to get him playing regularly and understanding/learning the need to improve his all round game. Remember he only played a handful of games at Championship level when we signed him - before that it was non-league football. Too much too soon. If Newcastle keep him next season back in the Premier League I can see him losing his place after a couple of months and being on the bench thereafter. That is UNLESS his all round game has improved. We will have to wait and see but keeping banging on about a player who has gone is pointless - we cannot wind back the clock even if we wanted to.
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Username Horsham 20 Dec 16 12.52pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
Gayle has had 15 goals and 2 assists in 2.700 minutes in the Premier League. Nevermind the Championship and the Cups, where he rocked. IN the last 2.800 minutes in the PL Benteke has had 17 goals and 4 assists. That MAY seem better than Gayle, but 3 of his goals were penalty kicks, therefore I only leave him at 14 goals and 4 assists in 2.800 minutes, very much as Gayle. Anyway, I WAS RIGHT when I told you Gayle is too good to keep on the bench. Now he's gone, he's the star of the Championship, the goalscorer, on his way up with Newcastle and he's wanted by half the Premier League clubs. Good for him! Who lost in this?
Newcastle knew this, you don;t Did you miss the bit in my post when I stated 'in less minutes'?
Wickham can lead the line, he can link play. He's quick and powerful and he can score goals. Dwight Gayle is quick finisher who never once looked like he could operate as a single striker in the Premier League. He had his chances. He had plenty of them. He needed to drop down a division and play week in, week out. If he was as good as you say in the Prem, there would have been 6/7 Prem clubs after him. Edited by Username (20 Dec 2016 12.55pm)
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Username Horsham 20 Dec 16 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Gayle made little impact in 1st halves of Prem football. Unless that impact was on West Ham players of course...
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mattteo 20 Dec 16 4.22pm | |
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Originally posted by james03
Really? People are still going on about Gayle? The lad can score goals we know that. In the Championship he was always going to get 20+ in a season, especially when he is with the leagues top team. His problem is that he does nothing else, he does not contribute to the team in any other way thus we were effectively a ten man team when Gayle played - we rarely dominated games so his chances of scoring were limited. I believe he should have been loaned out to a Championship club two tears ago. The only chance we had was to get him playing regularly and understanding/learning the need to improve his all round game. Remember he only played a handful of games at Championship level when we signed him - before that it was non-league football. Too much too soon. If Newcastle keep him next season back in the Premier League I can see him losing his place after a couple of months and being on the bench thereafter. That is UNLESS his all round game has improved. We will have to wait and see but keeping banging on about a player who has gone is pointless - we cannot wind back the clock even if we wanted to. I don't understand what you guys mean by all round game. "He should improve his all round game" wtf does that mean? Does a tall immobile striker have a better all round game? Modern football is more about running than anything else. That's why we have seen in the last 10 years a trend with the disappearance of the "brute" striker and the using of the "false 9" there. Yes, it's not always good, it doesn't always work. But it worked AT TIMES, FOR SOME TEAMS. Which is astonishingly more than how teams played football in the past, 20, 30, 40 years ago. The tall striker was untouchable, it was a "must". So how on earth could Benteke or Wickham have an all round game better than Gayle??
If a guy like Benteke was publicly promoted, if his value has reached these heights and is a marketing asset as well, it means that he had good managers. He's managed to trick an entire country into thinking he's worth all that. I've known him since before the Aston Villa days, since he was 17. I know what Benteke can do and I'm telling you- there are 50 strikers worth less than what you paid for him who could have offered more.
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Username Horsham 20 Dec 16 4.34pm | |
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Originally posted by mattteo
I don't understand what you guys mean by all round game. "He should improve his all round game" wtf does that mean? Does a tall immobile striker have a better all round game? Modern football is more about running than anything else. That's why we have seen in the last 10 years a trend with the disappearance of the "brute" striker and the using of the "false 9" there. Yes, it's not always good, it doesn't always work. But it worked AT TIMES, FOR SOME TEAMS. Which is astonishingly more than how teams played football in the past, 20, 30, 40 years ago. The tall striker was untouchable, it was a "must". So how on earth could Benteke or Wickham have an all round game better than Gayle??
If a guy like Benteke was publicly promoted, if his value has reached these heights and is a marketing asset as well, it means that he had good managers. He's managed to trick an entire country into thinking he's worth all that. I've known him since before the Aston Villa days, since he was 17. I know what Benteke can do and I'm telling you- there are 50 strikers worth less than what you paid for him who could have offered more. Two of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum. Well done.
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