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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 10 Nov 16 6.02pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave


Yes, absolutely, that would be my definition of our next, and possibly ultimate, level with our current set up. So is AP the man to achieve that?

Arguably he has. Only about 6-8 teams can be reasonably certain of not getting sucked into a relegation battle. Then there's another four or five that shouldn't which leaves 8-10 or 40%-50% of the league that need to be very careful / know they are in for a tough season.

Whilst we are certainly under performing, I don't think it is by the margin many fans think. Nobody (as far as I am aware) tipped us for relegation at the beginning of the season in spite of our poor second half to last season. If we finish mid table this season I thionk we will be viewed outside of the club in a similar bracket as Stoke Southampton and Swansea and we know how things are working out for Swansea at the moment



 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 16 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Arguably he has. Only about 6-8 teams can be reasonably certain of not getting sucked into a relegation battle. Then there's another four or five that shouldn't which leaves 8-10 or 40%-50% of the league that need to be very careful / know they are in for a tough season.

Whilst we are certainly under performing, I don't think it is by the margin many fans think. Nobody (as far as I am aware) tipped us for relegation at the beginning of the season in spite of our poor second half to last season. If we finish mid table this season I thionk we will be viewed outside of the club in a similar bracket as Stoke Southampton and Swansea and we know how things are working out for Swansea at the moment



When Guidolin joined last season Swansea were 17th and he took them up to 12th. This season they were 17th when he was sacked after just 7 games but they did play against Leicester (Champions), Chelsea, Man Utd and Man C so maybe he was hard done by.
And replaced by someone who although has experience of international football with USA and Egypt has no experience of club football at any high level and joined Swansea from Ligue2 2 side Le Havre.So his experience in Europe is in the Norwegian League and the second-tier in France.Guidolin had experience of managing Bologna,Monaco,Parma,Udinese etc etc.

Edited by Willo (10 Nov 2016 6.36pm)

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 10 Nov 16 6.31pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I thought it was the HF that decided the manager's fate at our club.

Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2016 3.17pm)

Playing with fire there nick. Some on here would deem taking the piss out of the HF worthy of a red.

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 10 Nov 16 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Realistically, the next level for us, doesn't really exist. Finishing top 10 would be more about how other teams fared, than how well we did (although we'd have to do well).

But the later, relegation, should be the concern. Whilst I understand fans want us to 'push on to the next level' - that seems to be seen as a being something that's continual.

In truth, clubs like us, plateau. The question is really about what kind of plateau

Great points. Personally I don't think we are an established PL side yet, so staying in the league is the prime goal. This is the bar for the manager, at this juncture a change in manager isn't necessary, however Pards is certainly very,very near this bar. If the wind doesn't change by Xmas latest then he will be gone. Ultimately it will be the owners' decision to make and I personally have faith that they will make the right one, as they have largely in the past in relation to managers.

Edited by Booted Eagle (10 Nov 2016 7.01pm)

 


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Boooo Flag 10 Nov 16 7.34pm Send a Private Message to Boooo Add Boooo as a friend

If i did 1 good job in every 6 i wouldn't get any work.
I don't think he's a players manager where he puts his arm around them to re-assure. I thought him and Wilf having a full scale argument across the pitch at Spurs last year was poor form, all AP had to do at HT was take him off (he did at HT) and not get involved to the extent he did. He'd obviously had a fall pout with Puncheon just before the cup final and dropped him to the bench which although i hate to say it, may have cost us.
His headbutt on the Norwich player and his verbal assault on Manuel Pellegrini was a disgrace in itself (and sickened his own family), it's proven the man has no self control.

'We' had to bin certain players as they weren't Premier League so the Chairmen upped their game and gave him some decent players. Maybe it's his backroom team/him. Everyone has their day. He had 2 big days last season, the Norwich game and the Cup Final. I don't see how losing a cup final saves his job as the league is our bread and butter.

His 'pressers' are embarrassing. He blames everyone but himself. I just want to hear once, "You know what, today we were s*** and it's my fault', no excuses, just acceptance. I think he'd get a little bit of respect just for that alone.

He's a mediocre manager and if we as a club want to accept that, then we'll be fine struggling year in year out. I fancy the Chairmen launching £32m on one player surely meant that they want bigger and better things.

Out.

 


I refuse to believe there are that many people out there that can't spell. Too f**king lazy, that's what I think.

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Inapickle Flag South West 18 Nov 16 11.01pm

Pardew to stay and ....just wait and see.

 

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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 18 Nov 16 11.45pm

TP gave us a backline that I recall top team managers whining about how hard it was to get through. AP inherited that and with Bolasie and Zaha on the wings we were getting results. That was not built upon by AP, he weakened it, it is gone. Jedinak was the tip of the spear on the backline, in essence a 5-man backline to help us compete against top attacks and grab the odd win. So when I heard about Jedinak being replaced I assumed that 'he was being replaced'. No - genius AP, gets millions to develop the frontline and while he's doing that he weakens the backline. All that money and trust put into him by the board, and what do we get? The worst team in 4 leagues. Please give me a break.

 


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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 19 Nov 16 2.41am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

When a manager under pressure gets reassurance from the owners, he should smell danger! Next step is often: "The club has decided to part company with.......! Thanks and wish all the best bla bla bla".
Alan Pardew can not be far away from this scenario now whatever they spoke about in US.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 19 Nov 16 7.48am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

I remember the clowns talked like that when they got rid of Curbishley because he "couldn't take them to the next level" when they were just beginning to get a toehold in the top half of this division. They're certainly at the next level now.

I agree on the Curbishly effect even though I don't think AP is the man for us.
However, I don't think it is about "the next level" - more just a slight improvement from this level and frankly with 5 wins in 30 odd games that is a pretty low level to look up from and not too much to ask.
If he can do it then great - I just do not think that he can.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 19 Nov 16 7.52am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I would add that even though I don't think he is the right man - I sincerely hope he succeeds and proves me wrong.
I want Palace to do well regardless of who is in charge.

 

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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 19 Nov 16 7.55am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I agree on the Curbishly effect even though I don't think AP is the man for us.
However, I don't think it is about "the next level" - more just a slight improvement from this level and frankly with 5 wins in 30 odd games that is a pretty low level to look up from and not too much to ask.
If he can do it then great - I just do not think that he can.

Absolutely, ... rather see him/ us do well but it's not as though he only sees the team on alternate Saturdays like most of us. What's going on in between?

 


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Happiness Stan Flag Itchycoo Park 19 Nov 16 8.14am Send a Private Message to Happiness Stan Add Happiness Stan as a friend

5 wins in 33 games is an appalling record, especially when you look at the quality of our squad. I'd like us to keep Pardew, but f***ing he'll hesmaking it hard for himself. If he doesn't get an absolute minimum of 4 points from hull Swansea and Man City, he has to go IMHO

 


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