I seem to remember the the Dog and Boll**cks pub five a side team did indeed survive the 2012/13 season of the Chipping Sodbury park league with only ten points.

Unfortunately all the pubs have now closed and local residents had their memories erased to bury the trauma and shame.

You're right there. I think Palace are the sort of club that should be helping an ex-player transition to management. Look how good Freedman was. I think we ought to wait until we get to 16 points first though before we fire Pardew, I don't want to knee jerk. Hopefully we'll get the 6 more from the next two games then we can send him packing probably for only about a £6m payoff. Then give Delaney or Speroni the job. They are Palace through and through and not getting any younger. I guarantee one of those guys would be able to take us forward and would also appease them for their lack of game time when we field younger men.

Bookies have us as eleventh favourite for relegation - between Bournemouth and Leicester. After three matches we were third favourite. Even so I still watch out for the relegation candidates and hope they lose, to improve our chances of safety.

OK counting chickens etc.

But no team 7th after six games has ever gone down

This time last year we were hovering around the same points total as today and we majestically nose dived and were in danger of going down - it happens.

This was once a quality forum....